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FBaggins

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21. It had better be lots more than that.

Tue May 22, 2012, 08:47 AM

May 2012

Growth from 4% to 9% over 25 years (even assuming extremely limited demand growth and increased use of nuclear), is not enough.

That translates to much more coal/gas than we currently use. Renewables really need to be at least double that amount by 2035.

I for one would like to know why they project rapid growth in wind power over the next handful of years and then almost no additional expansion over the following couple decades? It looks like they project almost 15 years of virtually zero new wind.

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The *official* complain about XemaSab thread [View all] XemaSab May 2012 OP

You fail to address the "how" of an energy transition kristopher May 2012 #1

The magic hand waving is done by those championing a "renewable transition." joshcryer May 2012 #39

I must vehemently disagree.... mike_c May 2012 #2

I totally hear what you're saying, and I respect it XemaSab May 2012 #3

On what do you base your assessment of renewable energy? kristopher May 2012 #4

if we accept the graphic in the OP... mike_c May 2012 #7

See post 8 kristopher May 2012 #10

See the graph in Post #5 OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #19

Pssst. Wind is also Solar. NYC_SKP May 2012 #63

What constitutes "statistically meaningful dents" OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #5

It had better be lots more than that. FBaggins May 2012 #21

"rapid growth in wind power over the next handful of years" OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #23

You're right. FBaggins May 2012 #24

Storage solutions aren’t that hard to find OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #25

We're talking 2035 here... FBaggins May 2012 #27

As I said, we have a number of technologies OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #34

Another analogy OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #37

Space-based Solar Power OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #38

If SpaceX can get grasshopper working with Falcon 9H then SBSP becomes somewhat viable. joshcryer May 2012 #46

U.S. wind generation increased 27% in 2011 OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #26

Yep... FBaggins May 2012 #28

The industry is expecting 8-10GW/yr of new capacity for the next several years. nt kristopher May 2012 #30

"The industry"? FBaggins May 2012 #32

Was it presented as unbiased fact? kristopher May 2012 #35

The reason? Because it is the EIA, they ALWAYS sandbag renewables. kristopher May 2012 #31

Except that that doesn't describe the graph. FBaggins May 2012 #33

It provides a starting point where EIA projections have a defacto lack of validity. kristopher May 2012 #36

WEO's growth predictions have been spot on, and they're not much better. joshcryer May 2012 #40

Perhaps... kristopher May 2012 #42

Yes, I do consider them accurate. joshcryer May 2012 #43

In a long list of meaningless rationalizations, kristopher May 2012 #44

We're talking about whether or not renewable production is putting a dent in CO2 production. joshcryer May 2012 #45

Whatever dud. kristopher May 2012 #47

It is a very bad thing that AGW is being white washed by people saying we're doing enough. joshcryer May 2012 #48

The world situation is just as bad GliderGuider May 2012 #6

IPCC review of 160 scientific studies kristopher May 2012 #8

"technically and politically very challenging" GliderGuider May 2012 #9

Classic... kristopher May 2012 #11

Cheer up, have some flowers. GliderGuider May 2012 #12

That's code language for "we ain't doing shit." joshcryer May 2012 #41

Most people agree with "renewable energy sources can contribute substantially to human well-being". Nihil May 2012 #16

For that post to be meaningful kristopher May 2012 #18

Well, let’s let the IPCC speak for themselves OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #22

Sure they've included nuclear in many of their studies. kristopher May 2012 #29

Gen IV won't come online for another quarter century if that. joshcryer May 2012 #49

"Generation IV nuclear-energy technologies that may become operational after about 2030…" OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #50

I'll take that as an oblique criticism of my position. kristopher May 2012 #51

The same tack is taken against Space Based Solar Power for example OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #52

Where did I say that Gen IV *cannot* be part of a *long-term* solution? kristopher May 2012 #53

You were replying to my reply to Josh OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #54

You made a sweeping statement kristopher May 2012 #55

I did not say "it could not be done at all." I said it won't solve the problem. joshcryer May 2012 #58

There is no short-term solution, only long-term solutions OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #59

I do hate gratuitous 3-D, particularly when useful information is lost to it OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #20

There are so many things wrong in what you wrote, I don't know where to start. nt bananas May 2012 #13

So you got nothin', then XemaSab May 2012 #14

The inability to be 100% renewable in the foreseeable future does not equal.... Scuba May 2012 #15

Not evil in the slightest ... Nihil May 2012 #17

Update on my evilness: XemaSab May 2012 #56

BREAKING: XemaSab May 2012 #57

And several hours later ... Nihil May 2012 #60

Somehow I got stuck sleeping with them XemaSab May 2012 #61

I spent the day birding XemaSab May 2012 #62

I think ticks should go extinct XemaSab May 2012 #64

XemaSab's F350 CrewCab Dually Diesel, with Leather.... Excessive, IMO. NYC_SKP May 2012 #65

I need it to carry the dogs around in XemaSab May 2012 #66

I made a dent in turning a weedy mess into a vegetable garden XemaSab May 2012 #67

This morning I woke up and said to myself XemaSab Jul 2012 #68

Being a host is a thankless task. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #69

Hosting is the perfect solution for those who feel pscot Jul 2012 #70

One of the things that's a hugh bummer about being a host XemaSab Nov 2012 #71

:thumbs: stuntcat Nov 2012 #72

Your name starts with an "X." I find this intolerable. GreenPartyVoter Nov 2012 #73

A very reasoned position, and welcome to the club. wtmusic Nov 2012 #74

Several thumbs down on your opening paragraphs, ... CRH Nov 2012 #75

This is a well-reasoned position, AND I respectfully disagree. nt Speck Tater Nov 2012 #76

If we all agreed with each other all the time XemaSab Nov 2012 #77