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kristopher

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31. The reason? Because it is the EIA, they ALWAYS sandbag renewables.

Tue May 22, 2012, 10:29 AM

May 2012

All across the last decade they kept predicting 2%/yr growth rate when the actual numbers were consistently between 25-50%.

We can only speculate about their motives, but the fact of the pattern is part of the historical record.

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The *official* complain about XemaSab thread [View all] XemaSab May 2012 OP

You fail to address the "how" of an energy transition kristopher May 2012 #1

The magic hand waving is done by those championing a "renewable transition." joshcryer May 2012 #39

I must vehemently disagree.... mike_c May 2012 #2

I totally hear what you're saying, and I respect it XemaSab May 2012 #3

On what do you base your assessment of renewable energy? kristopher May 2012 #4

if we accept the graphic in the OP... mike_c May 2012 #7

See post 8 kristopher May 2012 #10

See the graph in Post #5 OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #19

Pssst. Wind is also Solar. NYC_SKP May 2012 #63

What constitutes "statistically meaningful dents" OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #5

It had better be lots more than that. FBaggins May 2012 #21

"rapid growth in wind power over the next handful of years" OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #23

You're right. FBaggins May 2012 #24

Storage solutions aren’t that hard to find OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #25

We're talking 2035 here... FBaggins May 2012 #27

As I said, we have a number of technologies OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #34

Another analogy OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #37

Space-based Solar Power OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #38

If SpaceX can get grasshopper working with Falcon 9H then SBSP becomes somewhat viable. joshcryer May 2012 #46

U.S. wind generation increased 27% in 2011 OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #26

Yep... FBaggins May 2012 #28

The industry is expecting 8-10GW/yr of new capacity for the next several years. nt kristopher May 2012 #30

"The industry"? FBaggins May 2012 #32

Was it presented as unbiased fact? kristopher May 2012 #35

The reason? Because it is the EIA, they ALWAYS sandbag renewables. kristopher May 2012 #31

Except that that doesn't describe the graph. FBaggins May 2012 #33

It provides a starting point where EIA projections have a defacto lack of validity. kristopher May 2012 #36

WEO's growth predictions have been spot on, and they're not much better. joshcryer May 2012 #40

Perhaps... kristopher May 2012 #42

Yes, I do consider them accurate. joshcryer May 2012 #43

In a long list of meaningless rationalizations, kristopher May 2012 #44

We're talking about whether or not renewable production is putting a dent in CO2 production. joshcryer May 2012 #45

Whatever dud. kristopher May 2012 #47

It is a very bad thing that AGW is being white washed by people saying we're doing enough. joshcryer May 2012 #48

The world situation is just as bad GliderGuider May 2012 #6

IPCC review of 160 scientific studies kristopher May 2012 #8

"technically and politically very challenging" GliderGuider May 2012 #9

Classic... kristopher May 2012 #11

Cheer up, have some flowers. GliderGuider May 2012 #12

That's code language for "we ain't doing shit." joshcryer May 2012 #41

Most people agree with "renewable energy sources can contribute substantially to human well-being". Nihil May 2012 #16

For that post to be meaningful kristopher May 2012 #18

Well, let’s let the IPCC speak for themselves OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #22

Sure they've included nuclear in many of their studies. kristopher May 2012 #29

Gen IV won't come online for another quarter century if that. joshcryer May 2012 #49

"Generation IV nuclear-energy technologies that may become operational after about 2030…" OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #50

I'll take that as an oblique criticism of my position. kristopher May 2012 #51

The same tack is taken against Space Based Solar Power for example OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #52

Where did I say that Gen IV *cannot* be part of a *long-term* solution? kristopher May 2012 #53

You were replying to my reply to Josh OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #54

You made a sweeping statement kristopher May 2012 #55

I did not say "it could not be done at all." I said it won't solve the problem. joshcryer May 2012 #58

There is no short-term solution, only long-term solutions OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #59

I do hate gratuitous 3-D, particularly when useful information is lost to it OKIsItJustMe May 2012 #20

There are so many things wrong in what you wrote, I don't know where to start. nt bananas May 2012 #13

So you got nothin', then XemaSab May 2012 #14

The inability to be 100% renewable in the foreseeable future does not equal.... Scuba May 2012 #15

Not evil in the slightest ... Nihil May 2012 #17

Update on my evilness: XemaSab May 2012 #56

BREAKING: XemaSab May 2012 #57

And several hours later ... Nihil May 2012 #60

Somehow I got stuck sleeping with them XemaSab May 2012 #61

I spent the day birding XemaSab May 2012 #62

I think ticks should go extinct XemaSab May 2012 #64

XemaSab's F350 CrewCab Dually Diesel, with Leather.... Excessive, IMO. NYC_SKP May 2012 #65

I need it to carry the dogs around in XemaSab May 2012 #66

I made a dent in turning a weedy mess into a vegetable garden XemaSab May 2012 #67

This morning I woke up and said to myself XemaSab Jul 2012 #68

Being a host is a thankless task. GliderGuider Jul 2012 #69

Hosting is the perfect solution for those who feel pscot Jul 2012 #70

One of the things that's a hugh bummer about being a host XemaSab Nov 2012 #71

:thumbs: stuntcat Nov 2012 #72

Your name starts with an "X." I find this intolerable. GreenPartyVoter Nov 2012 #73

A very reasoned position, and welcome to the club. wtmusic Nov 2012 #74

Several thumbs down on your opening paragraphs, ... CRH Nov 2012 #75

This is a well-reasoned position, AND I respectfully disagree. nt Speck Tater Nov 2012 #76

If we all agreed with each other all the time XemaSab Nov 2012 #77