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NNadir

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4. No, my title is a true statement with references to the primary scientific literature, numbers...
Sun Jul 16, 2023, 03:19 PM
Jul 2023

...and data.

The very bad thinking utilized by fossil fuel/hydrogen salespeople and salesbots here who post dishonest marketing videos all the time in this case is the well known, and highly fraudulent argument known as "Appeal to Authority."

"Appeal to Authority" arguments are known to be garbage thinking.

Secretary Granholm is a fine politician, and she serves in an important role in a great administration, but she is a politician, who is subject to the whims of public opinion, one of which is the common fraud that hydrogen is "green energy."

People believe that hydrogen is "green energy" because they have been subject to dishonest marketing, most of this by people who couldn't care less about climate change or environmental issues.

The references to the primary scientific literature, the numbers, and the data in the OP are not invalidated because of videos posted by fossil fuel marketeers/salesbots here or elsewhere.

The references to the primary scientific literature, the numbers, and the data, stand for themselves, and no level of "tobacco type" marketing of fossil fuels with bait and switch hydrogen "The Three Monte" games can change the facts.

Anyone who sells hydrogen is selling fossil fuels. This is a fact.

I wouldn't expect anyone pushing the lie that "hydrogen is green" to embrace facts. Indeed the essence of dishonest marketing is to avoid facts where they do not advance the goal of the marketing, where they obviate the dishonesty of the marketing, or where they demonstrate the toxicity of the marketing.

In the 1940's and 1950's cigarettes were marketed as being "good for health."

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Facts matter and can help address cheap marketing and the cheap marketeers who push what are clearly lies.

Numbers don't lie. Marketeers lie, including about who and what they are, as well as what their purposes are, but numbers don't lie.

Selling hydrogen is selling fossil fuels.

Have a very pleasant Sunday evening..

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Kickin' Faux pas Jul 2023 #1
Hydrogen is made from ANY source of energy... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #2
Your title is a lie, according to Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm Caribbeans Jul 2023 #3
No, my title is a true statement with references to the primary scientific literature, numbers... NNadir Jul 2023 #4
Not exactly... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #5
Present day production is not the same as 2050 production Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #9
The confusion of soothsaying with reality is why we're in this horrible mess. NNadir Dec 2023 #10
Because of issues like which infrastructure and consumer preferences, Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #11
It is obscene to make hydrogen for fuel purposes when fossil fuels dominate the energy supply. NNadir Dec 2023 #12
If we don't start finding out now what infrastructure works Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #13
Um, the Journal of Hydrogen Energy has been in continuous print since 1976, almost half a century. NNadir Dec 2023 #14
Yes, one can see problems, but nobody knows what choices will be chosen Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #15
It's a very poor analogy that stuff about Meta etc. NNadir Dec 2023 #16
You are very wrong to twist my words Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #17
Oh please... NNadir Dec 2023 #18
Nice strawman you got there. Nobody called you a communist Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #19
Updated to include link to the first referenced paper, and to make a minor cosmetic change. NNadir Jul 2023 #6
The intent of this post is to mislead... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #7
Another pretty chart... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #8
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