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NNadir

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12. It is obscene to make hydrogen for fuel purposes when fossil fuels dominate the energy supply.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 08:20 PM
Dec 2023

I consider it a crime against humanity in fact.

It is tantamount to announcing that one is organizing an expensive party to celebrate one's cure when one is terminally ill, spending all one's resources on it, because one earnestly believes that praying to the Virgin Mary will result in a cure.

I read the scientific literature every damned day, for the record, including all kinds of LCA papers.

Anyone, and I do mean anyone, pushing this half century old line of shit is selling fossil fuels, accelerating climate change, and valuing wishful thinking over a very dire and increasingly exigent reality.

No amount of absurd apologetics and wishful thinking will change this reality.

If some day, primary energy is clean - which is to say 100% nuclear - consumer hydrogen will still be a terrible idea because of its horrible physical properties and chemical incompatibility, although captive hydrogen, as is the case with the 94 million tons made each year now, albeit overwhelmingly with vast amounts of exergy destruction of the fossil fuel source, will still be an important chemical intermediate.

Consumer fantasies generally suck and are based on extreme ignorance in general, and the cheap advertising put forth by fossil fuel sales people and sales bots here and elsewhere who are attempting to rebrand fossil fuels as "green." It's a fucking lie.

Numbers don't lie: A Giant Climate Lie: When they're selling hydrogen, what they're really selling is fossil fuels.

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Kickin' Faux pas Jul 2023 #1
Hydrogen is made from ANY source of energy... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #2
Your title is a lie, according to Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm Caribbeans Jul 2023 #3
No, my title is a true statement with references to the primary scientific literature, numbers... NNadir Jul 2023 #4
Not exactly... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #5
Present day production is not the same as 2050 production Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #9
The confusion of soothsaying with reality is why we're in this horrible mess. NNadir Dec 2023 #10
Because of issues like which infrastructure and consumer preferences, Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #11
It is obscene to make hydrogen for fuel purposes when fossil fuels dominate the energy supply. NNadir Dec 2023 #12
If we don't start finding out now what infrastructure works Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #13
Um, the Journal of Hydrogen Energy has been in continuous print since 1976, almost half a century. NNadir Dec 2023 #14
Yes, one can see problems, but nobody knows what choices will be chosen Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #15
It's a very poor analogy that stuff about Meta etc. NNadir Dec 2023 #16
You are very wrong to twist my words Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #17
Oh please... NNadir Dec 2023 #18
Nice strawman you got there. Nobody called you a communist Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #19
Updated to include link to the first referenced paper, and to make a minor cosmetic change. NNadir Jul 2023 #6
The intent of this post is to mislead... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #7
Another pretty chart... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #8
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