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GliderGuider

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51. The next step is to stop screaming, of course.

Reply to a geek named Bob (Reply #50)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 08:19 AM

Sep 2012

Once we stop screaming we might begin look for the gift in all these upheavals.

Examples of that "gift" might be:

An understanding that humanity is a special animal, and that both our specialness and our animal nature must be a factor in all we do;
A realization that we are a part of nature, not apart from her.
An awareness that our sense of control is an illusion born of fear;
A recognition of our personal and collective limitations, and a reorientation to action within them;
An awakening to the fact that change is not the enemy, but the nature of reality;
A realization that what humanity faces is not a set of physical problems, but the turmoil that always accompanies a transition from adolescence into adulthood.

Or we could just keep on altering the planet until we get it right.

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Time to go on the record [View all] XemaSab Sep 2012 OP

If we add High altitude reflective balloons a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #1

Realistically, you've got about 3 years to get those balloons up NickB79 Sep 2012 #2

Okay... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #3

The problem is that every year without ice makes it that much harder NickB79 Sep 2012 #4

We can use the methane for more balloons a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #5

You vill go on zee rekort now vitt jour prediktion, ja? XemaSab Sep 2012 #6

XemaSab... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #9

Yes. I predict 2016. nt NickB79 Sep 2012 #15

Interesting... XemaSab Sep 2012 #110

I don't doubt this will happen eventually, but...... AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #7

If each balloon can replicate one balloon per year... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #8

I'm guessing you've set out your balloon project somewhere on DU already muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #12

Muriel... my apologies a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #14

Bob, that sounds like a really good plan. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #23

AverageJoe90, why wait for government? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #26

You do have a pretty good point there, Bob. nt =) AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #38

I agree with you. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #41

Sometimes, private efforts really can be as good, and even better than the government's.......nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #68

works for me... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #69

You can build self-replicating balloons from off-the-shelf parts? NickB79 Sep 2012 #59

I thought I posted those ideas on this thread... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #61

You're new to this aren't you. FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #18

Not really new, no. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #24

I strongly encourage all technophiles to keep digging into the problems. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #27

It's better than sitting and stating there's nothing we can do... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #28

Is it? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #29

Not convinced of what? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #30

Not convinced of the value of action. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #31

He's just set in his ways, Bob. Can't change that, I suppose. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #70

I've a couple of questions that keep rattling around in my poor addled head... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #72

Do you really think a lot of people want to live low tech? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #91

interesting... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #93

Why would it matter to you if I were to dislike your lifestyle? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #96

I haven't seen one of those stores in about 3 decades a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #98

OK, I just re-read that (snark-free post) GliderGuider Sep 2012 #107

And what are the possible feedback loops of that? FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #33

I put it this way: GliderGuider Sep 2012 #36

Re: "My position is that we would probably be better off in the long run if everyone took a break".. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #73

We haven't taken a break since we invented agriculture 8,000 years ago GliderGuider Sep 2012 #81

To hell with fashionable learned helplessness... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #39

Yes, well good luck to you then. FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #42

and who says I'm not doing these things? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #43

You seem very angry FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #46

The resources used to build these balloons, in my design, a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #47

Yep, so true. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #76

Then we ought to be able to accelerate this system a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #79

Agreed. And there's other things that can be done, too. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #86

I like it! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #90

So... nebenaube Sep 2012 #104

depends on the altitude, doesn't it... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #105

I like your attitude! Odin2005 Sep 2012 #35

Thank you, sir! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #40

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #48

Nihil... that's just unkind... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #49

Next year. September 2013. phantom power Sep 2012 #10

I'm with you XemaSab Sep 2012 #20

okay... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #50

The next step is to stop screaming, of course. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #51

I'll pass... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #52

That sounds like a fair division of labour to me! GliderGuider Sep 2012 #53

sounds good a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #54

Success is its own reward, right? nt GliderGuider Sep 2012 #55

I'm more pragmatic... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #56

Well, labour has value only to those who value what's being done. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #58

I just want a fair compensation for work delivered. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #60

Would you pay for my fix? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #62

An "opportunity?" a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #63

An opportunity to become sustainable for the first time in our species' history. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #64

fine... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #66

Well, I'm not actually saying that. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #71

yeah... it DOES kind of sound like you are saying that... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #74

The system you describe does not exist. If it did you could colonize the galaxy. joshcryer Sep 2012 #75

hmmm... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #77

Good luck. joshcryer Sep 2012 #85

Joshcryer... Thank you for the well wishings... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #89

Ah, i think you're inching closer to the truth GliderGuider Sep 2012 #78

...sigh... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #80

Or how about GliderGuider Sep 2012 #82

okay... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #84

The problem is GliderGuider Sep 2012 #87

no... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #92

Actually, it's just an issue of scale. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #94

dude... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #95

I'm not proposing a switch to low tech living. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #97

Here we go... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #99

A lot less than 5 planets? XemaSab Sep 2012 #100

I was hoping for 1 ton/yr or less a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #101

So you're as much a part of the problem XemaSab Sep 2012 #102

Well... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #103

What are you doing on the internet?! FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #106

"Ice gone" is hard to define exactly Speck Tater Sep 2012 #11

Do you mean year-round, or minimum? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #13

All pipe dreams of climate engineering aside, ... CRH Sep 2012 #16

My prediction for an ice-free Arctic year-round? 2040, maybe 2060 if we're lucky. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #25

Pipe dreams? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #44

You forgot one important variable in your equations: greed NickB79 Sep 2012 #57

The will to do so from anyone with means, remember, ... CRH Sep 2012 #65

Then get a group together... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #67

I'll leave that for you, ... CRH Sep 2012 #83

What the hell... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #88

2015 hatrack Sep 2012 #17

I've been trying to be more environmentally responsible lately XemaSab Sep 2012 #19

Near my ole stompin grounds. n/t CRH Sep 2012 #21

imperial white phantom power Sep 2012 #22

As everyone knows pscot Sep 2012 #32

2014. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #34

2014 or 2015. nt emmadoggy Sep 2012 #37

2014. joshcryer Sep 2012 #45

Here are a couple of pertinent comments from Neven's blog GliderGuider Sep 2012 #108

2014 truebrit71 Sep 2012 #109

If you can not see what is going on BoB is destroying, CRH Sep 2012 #111

It is done hatrack Sep 2012 #115

. XemaSab Sep 2012 #116

Horse shit, show me the balloons, ... CRH Sep 2012 #112

XemaSab, You asked an honest question, IT has been HIJACKED!!! CRH Sep 2012 #113

It's the internet, gotta take the insane with the good. Viking12 Sep 2012 #114