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GliderGuider

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91. Do you really think a lot of people want to live low tech?

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 09:54 PM

Sep 2012

Certainly not many that I've talked to. the reason that some low-tech types have a problem with "You do your thing, and I'll do mine" is that your thing involves raping and destroying the planet and much of the life on it, while theirs doesn't. Yours impacts them whether they like it or not, while theirs doesn't impact you at all. That's the main difference that I see. High tech that gave the world global warming. Low tech gave us permaculture.

You place far too much emphasis on the value of Orange Julius. It's a disgusting drink. You could brew your own kombucha instead. It tastes better, and it's better for you and the planet too.

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Time to go on the record [View all] XemaSab Sep 2012 OP

If we add High altitude reflective balloons a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #1

Realistically, you've got about 3 years to get those balloons up NickB79 Sep 2012 #2

Okay... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #3

The problem is that every year without ice makes it that much harder NickB79 Sep 2012 #4

We can use the methane for more balloons a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #5

You vill go on zee rekort now vitt jour prediktion, ja? XemaSab Sep 2012 #6

XemaSab... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #9

Yes. I predict 2016. nt NickB79 Sep 2012 #15

Interesting... XemaSab Sep 2012 #110

I don't doubt this will happen eventually, but...... AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #7

If each balloon can replicate one balloon per year... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #8

I'm guessing you've set out your balloon project somewhere on DU already muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #12

Muriel... my apologies a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #14

Bob, that sounds like a really good plan. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #23

AverageJoe90, why wait for government? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #26

You do have a pretty good point there, Bob. nt =) AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #38

I agree with you. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #41

Sometimes, private efforts really can be as good, and even better than the government's.......nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #68

works for me... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #69

You can build self-replicating balloons from off-the-shelf parts? NickB79 Sep 2012 #59

I thought I posted those ideas on this thread... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #61

You're new to this aren't you. FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #18

Not really new, no. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #24

I strongly encourage all technophiles to keep digging into the problems. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #27

It's better than sitting and stating there's nothing we can do... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #28

Is it? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #29

Not convinced of what? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #30

Not convinced of the value of action. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #31

He's just set in his ways, Bob. Can't change that, I suppose. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #70

I've a couple of questions that keep rattling around in my poor addled head... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #72

Do you really think a lot of people want to live low tech? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #91

interesting... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #93

Why would it matter to you if I were to dislike your lifestyle? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #96

I haven't seen one of those stores in about 3 decades a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #98

OK, I just re-read that (snark-free post) GliderGuider Sep 2012 #107

And what are the possible feedback loops of that? FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #33

I put it this way: GliderGuider Sep 2012 #36

Re: "My position is that we would probably be better off in the long run if everyone took a break".. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #73

We haven't taken a break since we invented agriculture 8,000 years ago GliderGuider Sep 2012 #81

To hell with fashionable learned helplessness... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #39

Yes, well good luck to you then. FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #42

and who says I'm not doing these things? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #43

You seem very angry FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #46

The resources used to build these balloons, in my design, a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #47

Yep, so true. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #76

Then we ought to be able to accelerate this system a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #79

Agreed. And there's other things that can be done, too. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #86

I like it! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #90

So... nebenaube Sep 2012 #104

depends on the altitude, doesn't it... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #105

I like your attitude! Odin2005 Sep 2012 #35

Thank you, sir! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #40

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #48

Nihil... that's just unkind... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #49

Next year. September 2013. phantom power Sep 2012 #10

I'm with you XemaSab Sep 2012 #20

okay... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #50

The next step is to stop screaming, of course. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #51

I'll pass... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #52

That sounds like a fair division of labour to me! GliderGuider Sep 2012 #53

sounds good a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #54

Success is its own reward, right? nt GliderGuider Sep 2012 #55

I'm more pragmatic... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #56

Well, labour has value only to those who value what's being done. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #58

I just want a fair compensation for work delivered. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #60

Would you pay for my fix? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #62

An "opportunity?" a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #63

An opportunity to become sustainable for the first time in our species' history. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #64

fine... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #66

Well, I'm not actually saying that. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #71

yeah... it DOES kind of sound like you are saying that... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #74

The system you describe does not exist. If it did you could colonize the galaxy. joshcryer Sep 2012 #75

hmmm... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #77

Good luck. joshcryer Sep 2012 #85

Joshcryer... Thank you for the well wishings... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #89

Ah, i think you're inching closer to the truth GliderGuider Sep 2012 #78

...sigh... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #80

Or how about GliderGuider Sep 2012 #82

okay... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #84

The problem is GliderGuider Sep 2012 #87

no... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #92

Actually, it's just an issue of scale. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #94

dude... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #95

I'm not proposing a switch to low tech living. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #97

Here we go... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #99

A lot less than 5 planets? XemaSab Sep 2012 #100

I was hoping for 1 ton/yr or less a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #101

So you're as much a part of the problem XemaSab Sep 2012 #102

Well... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #103

What are you doing on the internet?! FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #106

"Ice gone" is hard to define exactly Speck Tater Sep 2012 #11

Do you mean year-round, or minimum? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #13

All pipe dreams of climate engineering aside, ... CRH Sep 2012 #16

My prediction for an ice-free Arctic year-round? 2040, maybe 2060 if we're lucky. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #25

Pipe dreams? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #44

You forgot one important variable in your equations: greed NickB79 Sep 2012 #57

The will to do so from anyone with means, remember, ... CRH Sep 2012 #65

Then get a group together... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #67

I'll leave that for you, ... CRH Sep 2012 #83

What the hell... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #88

2015 hatrack Sep 2012 #17

I've been trying to be more environmentally responsible lately XemaSab Sep 2012 #19

Near my ole stompin grounds. n/t CRH Sep 2012 #21

imperial white phantom power Sep 2012 #22

As everyone knows pscot Sep 2012 #32

2014. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #34

2014 or 2015. nt emmadoggy Sep 2012 #37

2014. joshcryer Sep 2012 #45

Here are a couple of pertinent comments from Neven's blog GliderGuider Sep 2012 #108

2014 truebrit71 Sep 2012 #109

If you can not see what is going on BoB is destroying, CRH Sep 2012 #111

It is done hatrack Sep 2012 #115

. XemaSab Sep 2012 #116

Horse shit, show me the balloons, ... CRH Sep 2012 #112

XemaSab, You asked an honest question, IT has been HIJACKED!!! CRH Sep 2012 #113

It's the internet, gotta take the insane with the good. Viking12 Sep 2012 #114