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GliderGuider

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32. You have to ask yourself, "Too many for what, exactly?"
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 09:04 AM
Apr 2012

Last edited Mon Apr 2, 2012, 02:26 PM - Edit history (2)

The short answer is, "Too many for long-term sustainability."

The longer version is this:

I think that the sustainable limit of human population on the planet over the long haul (like the next 10,000 years) is no more than one billion people. There are some sudden natural disasters could bring the population down to that, but unless it's something on the scale of a major asteroid impact or Toba II most of them are unlikely to be quite that effective.

As I'm sure I've said before, I don't think human population is going to be reduced to that level through any decision-making process on the part of other people, let alone me. My bet is on disruptions to the food supply brought about by a convergence of oil depletion, climate change, soil and water exhaustion, the death of the oceans and a global economic depression. If that happens, then pandemics due to a breakdown of health care systems around the world as a consequence of the ensuing rupture of civil society become a high probability.

IMO there is a better-than-minuscule chance that these initial effects will converge over the next (very) few decades, resulting in a century-long reduction in human population back to a stable level below one billion. I think this is a possibility because I think it's in fact already in its very early stages (not the population reduction, but the rest of it).

This is why I've decided to get fully involved in the permaculture movement, to help give the people at the bottom of this crumbling pyramid scheme of a civilization (like me) some slim chance that they won't be crushed.

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whew....misread it as "Disaster Peppers" NRaleighLiberal Feb 2012 #1
Good thing we bought all those gas masks! Renew Deal Feb 2012 #2
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Interesting stuff. silverweb Feb 2012 #4
Although it is not a bad idea to become more self-sufficient, Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #5
That will give you time to find other survivors and begin your survivor colony Renew Deal Feb 2012 #6
Personally, I don't want to survive those things. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #7
I am at Ground Zero. xmas74 Feb 2012 #15
When that came out, I lived in Houston. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #17
My family used to think I was crazy because I was warning them to prepare for disaster while jwirr Feb 2012 #8
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Success, then! Kolesar Feb 2012 #14
People have been doing this since WW2, cold war. Good to have emergency supplies on hand, but uppityperson Feb 2012 #11
Simple disaster prep malakai2 Feb 2012 #12
Some of the families have decent arsenals xmas74 Feb 2012 #16
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Surviving a disaster without sufficient breeding numbers is worthless txlibdem Mar 2012 #24
I think the purpose is to survive long enough to find other people Renew Deal Mar 2012 #25
thousands of other people? txlibdem Mar 2012 #26
Depends on the disaster, yes? GliderGuider Apr 2012 #28
Far too many people left? txlibdem Apr 2012 #29
You have to ask yourself, "Too many for what, exactly?" GliderGuider Apr 2012 #32
Scale back to a billion people? txlibdem Apr 2012 #33
Are there any downsides to this utopia of yours? GliderGuider Apr 2012 #34
I've finally made peace with your view of the future. I'm sorry I've argued about it so much. GliderGuider Apr 2012 #35
This is a reply to both posts txlibdem Apr 2012 #36
Ten thousand is the minimum breeding population txlibdem Apr 2012 #30
A coronal mass ejection is a distinct possibility.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #31
To be honest, anything that moves people to be more self sufficient is a good thing IMHO. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #37
You're right that anything that moves people is good. Renew Deal Apr 2012 #38
That is taking it too far, I agree. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #39
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