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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. Here's my take
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

There is certainly a way for people to be extremely critical of Israeli government policies, or of Israel as a country, or of the concept of Zionism itself without involving any anti-semitism or anti-Jewish prejudices. In fact, Israelis themselves have a robust tradition of such self-criticism.

However, I think people need to acknowledge that there is a line where the one crosses into the other. There are also people who are anti-semitic or anti-Jewish and are able to express their prejudices in polite society (so to speak) by substituting the word "Zionist" instead of Jew, such as "Zionists are controlling US foreign policy" or "Zionists run Hollywood" and the like.

I think that some on the left are so defensive about critics of Israel being unfairly labeled anti-semitic that they fail to accept the fact that sometimes the label is indeed fairly applied.

Great piece leftynyc May 2016 #1
A reasonable request. n/t Little Tich May 2016 #2
Back to the good old days of Jews pleading 6chars May 2016 #3
Yep King_David May 2016 #4
The left(many of whose members)do treat Jewish people like any other minority. Ken Burch May 2016 #5
Ken, the reactionary anti-Imperialist Left hates Jews...believes Hamas is progressive. shira May 2016 #7
Not so. There are SOME who do; but anti-imperialist far-leftist do not automatically hate Jews. LeftishBrit May 2016 #16
What percentage do you think are Corbynites, Galloways, Livingstones....? shira May 2016 #17
That's definitely not true oberliner May 2016 #8
What about "I'm talking about Zionism", as opposed to "Zionists"? Ken Burch May 2016 #9
Here's my take oberliner May 2016 #10
Agreed that there are some people like those you describe in the second paragraph. Ken Burch May 2016 #13
Fair points oberliner May 2016 #15
I suppose it is derived from Geneva. Ken Burch May 2016 #18
AntiZionists dream is the good old days where there was no protection of Jews King_David May 2016 #11
Well, I'm not an antizionist and that isn't MY dream. Ken Burch May 2016 #12
Interesting correction at the bottom of the article: Ken Burch May 2016 #6
Check out the end of this OP.... shira May 2016 #14
But Jews aren't like other minorities, so there are three reasons why it won't ever happen. aranthus May 2016 #19
Great post. n/t shira May 2016 #20
spectacular analysis, +1000 ericson00 May 2016 #21
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