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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
18. I suppose it is derived from Geneva.
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

One of the biggest points I also try to make on this is that what matters is getting the conflict ended, not whether or not one side gets to claim "victory".

And my awareness of these issues started around the 1977-78 era, when Andrew Young, as Carter's UN Ambassador, was pilloried and demonized simply for supporting negotiations with the Palestinians(and Jesse Jackson was put through the ringer simply for backing a two-state model-something even Netanyahu claims to support now).

What workable alternative to accepting a Palestinian state ever really existed? It always went without saying that the Palestinians were never going to accept either permanent Israeli control of the West Bank or reversion of the area to Jordan, so why was it considered anathema to support the only idea(two states)that ever had any chance at all of ending the killing? And why would anyone ever have felt that settling the West Bank was more important than peace?

Great piece leftynyc May 2016 #1
A reasonable request. n/t Little Tich May 2016 #2
Back to the good old days of Jews pleading 6chars May 2016 #3
Yep King_David May 2016 #4
The left(many of whose members)do treat Jewish people like any other minority. Ken Burch May 2016 #5
Ken, the reactionary anti-Imperialist Left hates Jews...believes Hamas is progressive. shira May 2016 #7
Not so. There are SOME who do; but anti-imperialist far-leftist do not automatically hate Jews. LeftishBrit May 2016 #16
What percentage do you think are Corbynites, Galloways, Livingstones....? shira May 2016 #17
That's definitely not true oberliner May 2016 #8
What about "I'm talking about Zionism", as opposed to "Zionists"? Ken Burch May 2016 #9
Here's my take oberliner May 2016 #10
Agreed that there are some people like those you describe in the second paragraph. Ken Burch May 2016 #13
Fair points oberliner May 2016 #15
I suppose it is derived from Geneva. Ken Burch May 2016 #18
AntiZionists dream is the good old days where there was no protection of Jews King_David May 2016 #11
Well, I'm not an antizionist and that isn't MY dream. Ken Burch May 2016 #12
Interesting correction at the bottom of the article: Ken Burch May 2016 #6
Check out the end of this OP.... shira May 2016 #14
But Jews aren't like other minorities, so there are three reasons why it won't ever happen. aranthus May 2016 #19
Great post. n/t shira May 2016 #20
spectacular analysis, +1000 ericson00 May 2016 #21
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