Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: Bill Clinton: 'I killed myself to give the Palestinians a state' [View all]Little Tich
(6,171 posts)11. Whatever he did, it didn't help the Palestinians,
Last edited Sat May 14, 2016, 08:23 AM - Edit history (1)
and if they'd accepted the "generous" offers they were given, things could've been even worse than now.
The offer from Barak was nothing but a scam:
2000 Camp David Summit: Territory
Source: Wikipedia
Based on the Israeli definition of the West Bank, Barak offered to form a Palestinian state initially on 73% of the West Bank (that is, 27% less than the Green Line borders) and 100% of the Gaza Strip. In 1025 years, the Palestinian state would expand to a maximum of 92% of the West Bank (91 percent of the West Bank and 1 percent from a land swap). From the Palestinian perspective this equated to an offer of a Palestinian state on a maximum of 86% of the West Bank.
Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#Territory
Very informative Flash Map detailing Barak's "generous" offers:
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/downloads/baraks_offers/barak_eng.swf
Source: http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/downloads/baraks_offers
The Clinton Parameters were also a scam - no map, and no mention of what areas Palestinians would sign away, and what land they would get in the already lopsided swap. It wasn't even sure what areas were considered to be the 100% of the West Bank that would be the basis for swaps. No right of return, no Palestinian control of their own borders - In spite of the Parameters being completely lopsided, the Israeli side had 20 pages of objections. The Palestinians mostly wanted clarification of the details and of course, maps.
The Clinton Parameters: Territory
Source: Wikipedia
The Clinton Parameters proposed a Palestinian state comprising between 9496% of the West Bank and the entire Gaza Strip. Israel would annex the remaining land, which would include Israeli settlements, containing 80% of the settler population, mainly in major settlement blocs. Israel would cede 13% of land to the Palestinians in land swaps to compensate for the annexations. The Palestinian state would have to be contiguous, and annexed areas along with the number of Palestinians affected would be as minimized as possible.
Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clinton_Parameters#The_details
Next time an American President formulates parameters for solving the I/P conflict, they'd better be fair and detailed with maps.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
33 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
The Clinton Parameters didn't come with a map, your map is only one of several interpretations of
Little Tich
May 2016
#14
So the Israelis came up with their 20 pages of objections after accepting the Parameters on Dec 31,
Little Tich
May 2016
#25
I asked you a valid question my opinion of the offer which I haven't given isn't at issue here
azurnoir
May 2016
#18
Sharon was a rightwinger, so what do you expect? Besides, Olmert did one better....
shira
May 2016
#19
so Sharon did not want peace? He broke away from Likud and started Kadema which we're told
azurnoir
May 2016
#21
at the moment I have no opinion one way or the other about the offer-Arafat so we are told
azurnoir
May 2016
#23
I haven't ignored anything it seems your comment was an excuse to post an article about
azurnoir
May 2016
#31