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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
11. Whatever he did, it didn't help the Palestinians,
Sat May 14, 2016, 05:53 AM
May 2016

Last edited Sat May 14, 2016, 08:23 AM - Edit history (1)

and if they'd accepted the "generous" offers they were given, things could've been even worse than now.

The offer from Barak was nothing but a scam:
2000 Camp David Summit: Territory
Source: Wikipedia

Based on the Israeli definition of the West Bank, Barak offered to form a Palestinian state initially on 73% of the West Bank (that is, 27% less than the Green Line borders) and 100% of the Gaza Strip. In 10–25 years, the Palestinian state would expand to a maximum of 92% of the West Bank (91 percent of the West Bank and 1 percent from a land swap). From the Palestinian perspective this equated to an offer of a Palestinian state on a maximum of 86% of the West Bank.

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#Territory

Very informative Flash Map detailing Barak's "generous" offers:
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/downloads/baraks_offers/barak_eng.swf
Source: http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/downloads/baraks_offers

The Clinton Parameters were also a scam - no map, and no mention of what areas Palestinians would sign away, and what land they would get in the already lopsided swap. It wasn't even sure what areas were considered to be the 100% of the West Bank that would be the basis for swaps. No right of return, no Palestinian control of their own borders - In spite of the Parameters being completely lopsided, the Israeli side had 20 pages of objections. The Palestinians mostly wanted clarification of the details and of course, maps.

The Clinton Parameters: Territory
Source: Wikipedia
The Clinton Parameters proposed a Palestinian state comprising between 94–96% of the West Bank and the entire Gaza Strip. Israel would annex the remaining land, which would include Israeli settlements, containing 80% of the settler population, mainly in major settlement blocs. Israel would cede 1–3% of land to the Palestinians in land swaps to compensate for the annexations. The Palestinian state would have to be contiguous, and annexed areas along with the number of Palestinians affected would be as minimized as possible.

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clinton_Parameters#The_details

Next time an American President formulates parameters for solving the I/P conflict, they'd better be fair and detailed with maps.

Yet, somehow he is still very much alive! BillZBubb May 2016 #1
Bill Clinton talking nonsense once again yourpaljoey May 2016 #2
And we see how successful he was scscholar May 2016 #3
the point is he tried Mosby May 2016 #5
sometimes I really wonder if the left would be happier ericson00 May 2016 #7
You think America's fawning reverence for Israel is about appealing to Jews? Scootaloo May 2016 #29
that reasoning only applies to republicans Mosby May 2016 #30
Lying asshole! catnhatnh May 2016 #4
you can criticize him for a lot of things Mosby May 2016 #6
He was a NAFTA humping republican catnhatnh May 2016 #8
nafta was a mistake, just like all the trade agreements Mosby May 2016 #9
But not voting for the Democrat in November is sick and insane. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #26
You mean improvements like this? ... Mika May 2016 #10
Whatever he did, it didn't help the Palestinians, Little Tich May 2016 #11
The Clinton Parameters map you say doesn't exist... shira May 2016 #12
The Clinton Parameters didn't come with a map, your map is only one of several interpretations of Little Tich May 2016 #14
That's a map from Dennis Ross who was actually there. n/t shira May 2016 #16
You have no idea what you are talking about oberliner May 2016 #20
So the Israelis came up with their 20 pages of objections after accepting the Parameters on Dec 31, Little Tich May 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars May 2016 #24
On the basis of the interpretative map Shira provided, Little Tich May 2016 #32
boo hoo. a longer drive. 6chars May 2016 #33
An offer so awfully bad that Arafat wished he had accepted it.... shira May 2016 #13
well if the Israeli offer was in earnest why didn't take Arafat up on this? azurnoir May 2016 #15
Make up your mind first. Was the offer shit or not shit? n/t shira May 2016 #17
I asked you a valid question my opinion of the offer which I haven't given isn't at issue here azurnoir May 2016 #18
Sharon was a rightwinger, so what do you expect? Besides, Olmert did one better.... shira May 2016 #19
so Sharon did not want peace? He broke away from Likud and started Kadema which we're told azurnoir May 2016 #21
Answer my last post and we can continue. I answered you. shira May 2016 #22
at the moment I have no opinion one way or the other about the offer-Arafat so we are told azurnoir May 2016 #23
Of course, denial. Here's the interview... shira May 2016 #27
I haven't ignored anything it seems your comment was an excuse to post an article about azurnoir May 2016 #31
That's hilarious. Scootaloo May 2016 #28
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