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In reply to the discussion: The Double Nakba [View all]

aranthus

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16. No he doesn't say that.
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:00 PM
May 2016

First because he recognizes that the war started in December, 1947, when the Palestinians started it. More to the point, he doesn't actually say that Arabs were being expelled in 1947. He says that they left. Expulsion is the intentional forcing out of people. While that happened in 1948, he doesn't say that it happened in 1947. Look at the chart below the text. He doesn't say expulsion until July, 1948.

Jews lived in Arab countries as second class citizens (subject to the Muslim version of pogroms) for centuries. They were allowed to be second class citizens because they were "people of the book" and because they paid a special tax, the Jizya. As people of the book they had four choices: convert; pay the Jizya, leave or die (the same choices that ISIS gives people today). As long as the Jews knew and kept their place, then they could stay. By creating Israel, the Jews "broke the deal" and that opened up the Jews of the Middle East to greater oppression.

The Double Nakba [View all] shira May 2016 OP
Yep King_David May 2016 #1
You know why, but still a good question. n/t aranthus May 2016 #2
Two wrongs don't make a right. Little Tich May 2016 #3
The Palestinians need to recognize that they have the most responsibility. aranthus May 2016 #4
Sigh. Little Tich May 2016 #5
You really need to read Morris in full. aranthus May 2016 #6
Morris indeed argues that it was justified to expel Palestinians. Little Tich May 2016 #7
So you would support the right of return aranthus May 2016 #8
Best the "refugees" integrate into the country's they were born in... King_David May 2016 #9
But then they could not be used as a weapon aranthus May 2016 #10
All of them should have that right. Little Tich May 2016 #18
I respect your consistency. aranthus May 2016 #19
Not so much so for those Europeans who have ancestors or who themselves were refugees. Little Tich May 2016 #21
Not really. aranthus May 2016 #22
I've met Germans who are still unhappy about their grandparents being expelled from from their homes Little Tich May 2016 #25
Neither the Turk or Greek side will allow refugees or their descendants.... shira May 2016 #23
Interestingly, Greece and Turkey did agree on a population exchange, which is an argument in your Little Tich May 2016 #24
Jews were expelled from the Arab countries as revenge for the Arabs being expelled from Tony_FLADEM May 2016 #11
Not a word of truth to this. aranthus May 2016 #12
According to Benny Morris they started expelling the Palestinian Arabs before the war started Tony_FLADEM May 2016 #14
No he doesn't say that. aranthus May 2016 #16
In my previous post I said the Palestinians started being expelled in 1947 Tony_FLADEM May 2016 #17
Completely wrong aranthus May 2016 #20
Did you make that up ? King_David May 2016 #13
Which part is made up? Tony_FLADEM May 2016 #15
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