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shira

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49. I'm trying to discuss these ideas, not Atzmon himself.

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:26 PM

Jun 2016

1. Claim Jews as a collective are Christ-Killers
2. Claim that burning down a synagogue is rational
3. Democracy/tolerance foreign to "Jewishness"
4. Jews trying to control the world...
5. Questioning whether Jews really did use the blood of christian children to bake matzos

These are centuries old tropes that Jew haters use to attack Jews.

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Forget Atzmon, the vast majority of Jews and liberals (not leftists) would agree that those 5 examples are overwhelming evidence that a person who maintains those views is antisemitic.

Now you believe that if someone holds to those 5 views, it proves nothing. Correct? You would need more convincing?

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JVP Dissociates Itself From Alison Weir [View all] shira Jul 2015 OP

OP cont'd... shira Jul 2015 #1

Too bad Mondoweiss can't disassociate from Weir too. They actually promote her shit... shira Jul 2015 #2

My family always taught me leftynyc Jul 2015 #3

Bingo. That's just common sense. n/t shira Jul 2015 #6

Interesting. Little Tich Jul 2015 #4

There's no question both Weir and Atzmon are antisemites.... shira Jul 2015 #5

I remain unconvinced when it comes to Atzmon. Little Tich Jul 2015 #7

Seriously? If you can't see Atzmon's blatant Jew hatred, you have no clue.... shira Jul 2015 #8

I think our views on anti-Semitism differ due to my emphasis on meaning rather than expression. Little Tich Jul 2015 #9

What do you think about holocaust deniers? Are they legit critics? shira Jul 2015 #10

From that same ADL article. About Atzmon's anti-semitism... shira Jul 2015 #11

And now I'm curious. What have you read from Atzmon that leads you to believe..... shira Jul 2015 #12

I can't see how illegitimate (whatever that is) criticism would signify anti-Semitism. Little Tich Jul 2015 #13

Holy shit! Did you read #11 above? Okay, 3 quick YES/NO questions for you... shira Jul 2015 #14

You may be the only DU'er here who doesn't believe Holocaust Denial is anti-semitic. shira Jul 2015 #15

I'm about as disgusted as I've ever leftynyc Jul 2015 #17

I'm shaking my head. It's unreal. n/t shira Jul 2015 #20

Bumping this due to EUMC working definition of antisemitism just adopted.... shira Jun 2016 #42

There are no instances of holocaust denial that I know of that were not anti-Semitic. Little Tich Jul 2015 #18

Great! So Atzmon (holocaust denier) is an anti-semite, correct? shira Jul 2015 #19

No. n/t Little Tich Jul 2015 #25

So are you now admitting leftynyc Jul 2015 #24

No. n/t Little Tich Jul 2015 #26

So - to recap leftynyc Jul 2015 #28

You don't think a holocaust denier leftynyc Jul 2015 #16

Or that burning down synagogues is a rational act; that all Jews R responsible 4 killing Jesus.... shira Jul 2015 #21

The I/P board leftynyc Jul 2015 #22

It's not so simple. Little Tich Jul 2015 #23

Did you read what Shira posted? leftynyc Jul 2015 #27

Let's not be upset about this one guy. Little Tich Jul 2015 #29

Just this one guy? leftynyc Jul 2015 #30

And this one guy, despite what he's written about Jews & the Holocaust.... shira Jul 2015 #31

I know that we are quite far apart on the subject of ant-Semitism. Little Tich Jul 2015 #32

That's a low blow, accusing someone of making up accusations of antisemitism.... shira Jul 2015 #33

I hope you just try to misunderstand me on purpose. Little Tich Jul 2015 #34

I'd still like to know what Atzmon needs to say in order to an antisemite.... shira Jul 2015 #35

It's all about meaning (or intent) vs expression. Little Tich Jul 2015 #36

Seriously? She's probably antisemitic b/c she's an antisemite? shira Jul 2015 #37

You have to use your judgement... Little Tich Jul 2015 #38

So what you're saying is you know it when you see it. There is nothing.... shira Jul 2015 #39

No, no... Little Tich Jul 2015 #40

So what statements would "clearly show that a person is a racist"? shira Jul 2015 #41

Throughout this thread, you denied Atzmon was an antisemite despite... shira Jun 2016 #43

I've recanted on Atzmon - what more do you want? Little Tich Jun 2016 #44

There are many different examples in this thread. You denied each one. shira Jun 2016 #45

I've recanted on Atzmon - what more do you want? Little Tich Jun 2016 #46

I'm just trying to understand.... shira Jun 2016 #47

I think it would be possible to draw a parallell between Atzmon and Nietzsche's argumentation in Little Tich Jun 2016 #48

I'm trying to discuss these ideas, not Atzmon himself. shira Jun 2016 #49

If your accusations were true, then Atzmon's argumentation would of course be anti-Semitic. Little Tich Jun 2016 #50

Accusations? You don't believe Atzmon made those claims? shira Jun 2016 #51

He is as blatantly antisemitic as can be found. If you actually can't see that..... cali Jun 2016 #53

But Atzmon is indeed an anti-Semite... Little Tich Jun 2016 #55

What Atzmon has written is absurdly antisemitic according to the new working definition.... shira Jun 2016 #57

Now that Cali responded to this, it's unreal you can't see the antisemitism at the IAK website.... shira Jun 2016 #54

I've already stated twice in this thread that the IAK is an anti-Semitic site. Little Tich Jun 2016 #56

Good for them. She's a very dodgy type. LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #52

Mondoweiss on the fence regarding antisemite, Alison Weir shira Jun 2016 #58

About 100 JVP signatories on letter in support of Alison Weir.... shira Jun 2016 #59