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shira

(30,109 posts)
25. No one is defending extremist settlers. They're an absolute cancer....
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:52 AM
Jun 2016

Last edited Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:05 AM - Edit history (1)

And I don't doubt for a moment they've done destructive, evil things. I just don't believe every single accusation like you do. I have reason to doubt some of the claims (including libels like poisoning the wells, aphrodisiac gum...). Only Jew haters believe antisemites who make constant false accusations against Jews.

It's basically impossible for settlers to destroy hundreds or thousands of olive trees without getting caught in the act. If you know the 1st thing about olive trees, they're kinda difficult to destroy. Simply pruning the branches takes a helluva long time. Uprooting or destroying the trunks is a GINORMOUS task. So yeah, if the claim is settlers destroy 10 trees - okay - but 450 or 1000? No fucking way.

What's also dubious is that so many claims against these settlers are made on Saturdays (the Jewish Sabbath). While it's not impossible, it's HIGHLY unlikely these religious fanatics would go to town "working" on the Sabbath.

Now here's the catch:
PALESTINIANS have been caught on camera destroying their own olive trees but SETTLERS have not. And there's a reason Palestinians would do so....

http://israelstreet.org/the-great-olive-tree-hoax/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/16/did-palestinians-destroy-their-own-olive-trees-and-then-blame-israel-settlers-say-they-have-the-video-to-prove-it/
http://www.rosenblit.com/big_lie.htm

Finally, let's remember it's the ridiculously antisemitic ISM (FreeGaza, Alison Weir, Greta Berlin, Gilad Atzmon) that is almost always involved in these accusations. The very same racist ISM that you've supported for years. In a post above this one, I pointed out an article by the ISM's Joe Catron who calls for Hezbollah bombing Tel Aviv. While you may take every word for granted from these Jew haters, I can assure you that decent people do not, and are repulsed by that kind of hate.

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If the accusations were that 10 or 20 trees were destroyed at one time, that's believable. It's impossible for 450-1000 trees to be destroyed in a short period of time without any witnesses to that destruction.

Also, lots of human rights groups have reported on incidents. I don't know where you get the idea that it all comes from one group. Probably the same place you get the idea that I support the ISM. I don't hate them with a frothing, bubbling, intense and manic hatred, but neither do I support them.


Actually - you do support the ISM - or at least you did:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=26470

Violet_Crumble (35,316 posts)
47. I'm quite happy to support the ISM....


Whoever those 'same people' are, they've got zero to do with my support of an organisation that reflects my stance on the conflict. And Guilt By Six Degrees of Association isn't a game I'm particularly fond of...


You wrote that they reflect your stance on the conflict. Creepers like Joe Catron, FreeGaza assholes like Greta Berlin, Alison Weir, Mary Thompson Hughes, Paul Larudee.

You regret writing that?





Unforuntately, I suspect some are going to believe this garbage still_one Jun 2016 #1
Antisemites always believe everything Jews are accused of, without thinking twice. n/t shira Jun 2016 #2
of course still_one Jun 2016 #5
Automatically? Or after a dozen instances? DetlefK Jun 2016 #3
You believe settlers are poisoning wells? Yes or No? n/t shira Jun 2016 #4
I don't know, but I'm leaning towards Yes. DetlefK Jun 2016 #6
Do you also believe the Jews and "penis enlargement " stuff too ? King_David Jun 2016 #7
Do you believe the "Israel's policies will eventually lead to peace"-stuff, too? DetlefK Jun 2016 #17
The OP was about conspiracy theories against Jews King_David Jun 2016 #19
I'm sorry. I thought, the topic was conspiracy-theories about Israel in general. (Because "penis".) DetlefK Jun 2016 #21
Your last article was penned by Joe Catron, who called for Hezbollah to bomb Tel Aviv.... shira Jun 2016 #8
So many accusations of burning or breaking down olive trees.... shira Jun 2016 #10
Seriously shira ..... Israeli Jun 2016 #12
Yes, seriously. Find pictures or video of settlers caught in the act.... shira Jun 2016 #18
It's unbelievable that anyone would try to defend the extremist settlers... Violet_Crumble Jun 2016 #23
No one is defending extremist settlers. They're an absolute cancer.... shira Jun 2016 #25
The owner of one of those sites you linked to certainly is.... Violet_Crumble Jun 2016 #27
Yup " unbelievable " ..... Israeli Jun 2016 #30
Yes, no, and maybe. Igel Jun 2016 #9
Israeli university cancels prize to Breaking the Silence shira Jun 2016 #11
What it means when occupation is the consensus......... Israeli Jun 2016 #13
Haaretz editorial: An Israeli University Teaches a Lesson in Spinelessness Little Tich Jun 2016 #15
From what I understand, it's an unsubstantiated claim made by one person - not BTS officially. Little Tich Jun 2016 #14
Yehuda Shaul is the bad guy ...... Israeli Jun 2016 #16
So you don't have a problem with Yehuda Shaul's medieval jew hating libel, right? shira Jun 2016 #22
Avner Gvaryahu has written many articles for BtS & he's a big liar too.... shira Jun 2016 #20
Whether some accusations are "centuries old antisemitic Jew hating libels" depends on the context. Little Tich Jun 2016 #29
BTS didn't make the allegation at all. Shira posted an OP the other day that said so... Violet_Crumble Jun 2016 #24
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This message was self-deleted by its author Violet_Crumble Jun 2016 #28
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