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Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: Stop With the Nonsense That Palestinians Are a Minority in Israel [View all]Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)40. Does it?
The GC states:
Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.
The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.
In Gaza, there is simply no Israeli military presence whatsoever. The b'tselem article you posted actually makes note of this.
Furthermore, a certain area may be deemed occupied even if the army does not have a fixed presence throughout the whole area. Leading experts in humanitarian law maintain that effective control may also exist when the army controls key points in a particular area, reflecting its power over the entire area and preventing an alternative central government from formulating and carrying out its powers. The broad scope of Israeli control in the Gaza Strip, which exists despite the lack of a physical presence of IDF soldiers in the territory, creates a reasonable basis for the assumption that this control amounts to "effective control," such that the laws of occupation continue to apply.
Even if Israel 's control in the Gaza Strip does not amount to "effective control" and the territory is not considered occupied, Israel still bears certain responsibilities under international humanitarian law.
Israel does not have a fixed presence over ANY of the area, much less these "key points" which prevent "an alternative central government from formulating and carrying out its powers. All things the article suggests as a bare minimum to possibly consider an area to be occupied. Gaza has its own established government, which is the sole entity exhibiting effective control over the entirety of Gaza. You can't really be suggesting that the IDF has more direct control in Gaza than Hamas, are you?
Even the article itself takes pains to suggest Israel might not really be occupying Gaza. Just that you could make an argument that it might be. Israel does not even control all of Gaza's border crossings. Would you consider Egypt to be an occupying power as well?
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Stop With the Nonsense That Palestinians Are a Minority in Israel [View all]
Little Tich
Aug 2016
OP
Gaza is under Israeli occupation - the wellbeing of the people there is Israel's responsibility as
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#5
Israel is still the Occupying Power according to the Geneva Convention, sorry... n/t
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#14
They're not occupying Gaza according to any definition of a military occupation. n/t
shira
Aug 2016
#21
The UN, international law and the international community considers Gaza to be under Israeli occupat
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#26
Purely political. Has nothing to do with actual International law, definitions...
shira
Aug 2016
#28
Before 2005, there were settlements in Gaza as well as a significant Israeli military presence.
oberliner
Aug 2016
#22
You seem to be unaware of the existence of the "Agreement on Movement and Access" from 2005 between
Little Tich
Sep 2016
#50
Perhaps Israel is an evil state - at least when it comes to the treatment of Palestinians?
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#6
The purpose of Israel's treatment of Palestininans is to benefit Jewish Israelis at the expense of
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#9
Because the goal of BDS is two states, or at least better conditions for the Palestinians under
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#18
Show me where BDS' goal is 2 states. It's certainly not a Jewish one next to a Palestinian state...
shira
Aug 2016
#19
It's my firm belief that a viable Palestinian is impossible without the complete removal of all the
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#24
I disagree with your assertion that BDS has a goal that's connected to either the one or two state
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#32
The goal of BDS is primarily to promote Palestinian rights by opposing Apartheid and the occupation.
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#36
Omar Barghouti says the 3 tier plan means 1 Palestinian state next to another Palestinian state....
shira
Aug 2016
#38
That's just BS, considering BDS support of Right-of-Return, which is 100% antisemitism.
shira
Sep 2016
#39
I think you're splitting hairs - a state deliberately causing harm to people is evil regardless
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#23
I don't know of a single instance where Palestinians have been treated equally to Israelis
Little Tich
Sep 2016
#44
I was referring to the Palestinians under occupation in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza.
Little Tich
Sep 2016
#49
So you can't find a single example where the Palestinians in the occupied territories haven't been
Little Tich
Sep 2016
#53
You seem to unaware of the harsh economic conditions for the Palestinian population in the West Bank
Little Tich
Sep 2016
#55