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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
28. Agreed
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 08:01 AM
Sep 2016

Israel is a unique country in many respects.

For instance, it is, I believe the only liberal democracy in the world whose very existence is deemed not only illegitimate by dozens of countries but also as an affront by hundreds of millions of people around the word.

In fact, most of the people in Israel's general neighborhood view the whole of Israel as occupied territory and many are committed to see its liberation some day (i.e. the eradication of Israel as a country).

That being said, Israel is also unique among liberal democracies, as you point out, for the promulgation of settlements in the West Bank and everything that goes along with the occupation.

I think we should all do everything we can to help bring about a situation where there is no longer such an occupation, where the Palestinian people have their own independent state, and where the peoples and countries of the middle east and around the world are able to accept Israel as a country.

At the Olympics, South Korean gymnasts posed with their North Korean counterparts, despite the horrors of the North Korean regime, yet athletes would not share a bus with Israelis or, in one case, shake hands. This antipathy to Israel by the peoples and countries in the region pre-dates the settlements.

It existed when the West Bank was occupied by Jordan and Gaza was occupied by Egypt.

+1 And, cue a variation of the popular song: "Send in the haters, they're here." nt jonno99 Sep 2016 #1
Well articulated & correct. Of course, enemies of the Jews would argue otherwise.... shira Sep 2016 #2
So what? aranthus Sep 2016 #3
The problem with your argument Mosby Sep 2016 #4
History should inform the present, not control it. aranthus Sep 2016 #5
The author of the OP hasn't read the relevant part of the Geneva convention about an occupier Little Tich Sep 2016 #6
Since Geneva IV doesn't apply to other occupations/settlements globally... shira Sep 2016 #7
Wow, that's a pretty big bag of pick'n mix of different situations... Little Tich Sep 2016 #8
Nah - they're all occupations, all population transfers, "settlers". Enough denial. shira Sep 2016 #9
Too much of a leap of faith, I'm afraid - I still think that you should be able to actually prove Little Tich Sep 2016 #12
It's more proof than any of the idiotic anti-Israel narratives... shira Sep 2016 #14
Enjoy your apartheid state while you have it. geek tragedy Sep 2016 #10
Every citizen of Israel has the same rights regardless of race, religion, or ethnicity oberliner Sep 2016 #19
Liberal democracies don't practice apartheid geek tragedy Sep 2016 #20
Right, and neither does Israel - even in the W.Bank. Give it up. n/t shira Sep 2016 #21
Yes it does shira .... Israeli Sep 2016 #23
"Jewish Only Roads" is a lie, so why keep posting this shit? n/t shira Sep 2016 #25
2008 shira ..... Israeli Sep 2016 #24
Hmmm....a road Israelis use that Palestinians cannot is not Apartheid. shira Sep 2016 #26
Agreed oberliner Sep 2016 #28
To me Israel has a few choices sabbat hunter Sep 2016 #11
The problem is Israel negotiating with a Palestinian leadership... shira Sep 2016 #15
What is your solution sabbat hunter Sep 2016 #27
There's always something that can be done; not that it will result in peace. shira Sep 2016 #29
If they don't negotiate with sabbat hunter Sep 2016 #30
Right, it's basically hopeless. n/t shira Sep 2016 #32
Oded Ravivi ???? !!!!!........ Israeli Sep 2016 #13
The author could be Uri Avnery. Facts are facts. n/t shira Sep 2016 #16
Come on ....now you are being extremely silly shira ..... Israeli Sep 2016 #17
I don't think you got the point. I know Avnery didn't write that.... shira Sep 2016 #18
LOL ..... Israeli Sep 2016 #22
Why should any part sabbat hunter Sep 2016 #31
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