Israel/Palestine

aranthus

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31. That wasn't your question.

Fri Oct 21, 2016, 03:03 PM

Oct 2016

The question is Russia sovereign over the Crimea. Who has the better claim to it. Russia or Ukraine? Russia has the better claim. And it's simply narrow minded to say that any attempt to recover territory is wrongful, just because you label the leader of a country a fascist. I think Putin is a ruthless dictator, but I don't see how he is necessarily a fascist, but let's assume that he is. The danger of Russia grabbing Crimea isn't about Crimea. It's about whether he's going to try to recover the Ukraine or the Baltic States, or other parts of the Soviet Empire. It doesn't look as if that is his goal. You are likely going to point to Hitler as an example of the bad that could occur. Except Putin is not Hitler, and Russia isn't Nazi Germany.

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UNESCO Adopts Controversial Jerusalem Resolution [View all] Eugene Oct 2016 OP

The U.S., Britain, Germany, Holland, Lithuania and Estonia voted against the resolution. oberliner Oct 2016 #1

Every country that abstained leftynyc Oct 2016 #2

Kind of surprised that it passes without a majority YES vote oberliner Oct 2016 #3

Nothing about unesco leftynyc Oct 2016 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Oct 2016 #5

I understand the feeling, but aranthus Oct 2016 #6

This resolution is about a site that isn't even in Israel. Little Tich Oct 2016 #7

Israel has effectively annexed Jerusalem. aranthus Oct 2016 #8

I guess you also believe that Crimea is Russian sovereign territory now. Little Tich Oct 2016 #9

Arguably it is. aranthus Oct 2016 #12

It's never a good thing when a fascist leader starts gobbling up parts of neighboring countries in Little Tich Oct 2016 #17

That wasn't your question. aranthus Oct 2016 #31

According to international law, Russia is an occupying power in Ukrainian Crimea, not a sovereign. Little Tich Oct 2016 #34

One big difference sabbat hunter Oct 2016 #45

I hope you understand that it's not even a de facto annexation until every single Palestinian Little Tich Oct 2016 #46

And you keep bringing up the UN aranthus Oct 2016 #13

If there's no legal framework for how wars are waged, it will open up for all kinds of atrocities, Little Tich Oct 2016 #16

Also not the issue. aranthus Oct 2016 #32

I think it's too early to declare the demise of international law. Little Tich Oct 2016 #35

Again you have no reason. aranthus Oct 2016 #36

What about International Humanitarian Law, Thrasymachus? n/t Little Tich Oct 2016 #37

It isn't law. aranthus Oct 2016 #44

So what legal framework should the Palestinians in East Jerusalem apply to Little Tich Oct 2016 #47

You can't even admit leftynyc Oct 2016 #10

You seem to be a one-stater... Little Tich Oct 2016 #15

So you think the Western Wall leftynyc Oct 2016 #19

I'm not sure a 2-state proposal exists that puts the wall in a future Palestinian state. shira Oct 2016 #23

Israeli's will NEVER allow leftynyc Oct 2016 #24

Only Jew hating bigots would advocate for Palestinian control of the Kotel... shira Oct 2016 #25

More country's voted against leftynyc Oct 2016 #26

And Israel's "critics" pretending to be humanitarians support UNESCO's Jew hate. shira Oct 2016 #27

Only the occupied part of Jerusalem is part of the occupied territories. Little Tich Oct 2016 #28

Headline: Thousands of Jews desecrate al-Buraq (the Wall) shira Oct 2016 #22

Please. There's no excusing pure antisemitism, denial of Jewish history. shira Oct 2016 #11

If Israel stopped behaving like a hostile occupier in East Jerusalem, Little Tich Oct 2016 #18

Yes, we all know leftynyc Oct 2016 #20

Why is it so wrong to extend the notion of democratic rights to include Palestinians? Little Tich Oct 2016 #29

And once again leftynyc Oct 2016 #30

So you're saying UNESCO's anti-Jewish resolution is justified, right? shira Oct 2016 #21

You seem to be working under the assumption that an anti-Israel resolution condemning Israel's Little Tich Oct 2016 #33

It's anti-Jewish (not anti-Israel) as proven by PA/Fatah reaction to UNESCO... shira Oct 2016 #38

Aha - so that's why I didn't find any anti-Semitism in the resolution itself... Little Tich Oct 2016 #39

The release is accurate, stop with the denial. While the resolution says Jerusalem... shira Oct 2016 #40

If the allegations that Israel was changing the status quo in Jerusalem were untrue, Little Tich Oct 2016 #41

What evidence do you have the status quo is changing? You have nothing. shira Oct 2016 #42

So which of the allegations in the resolution are untrue? Little Tich Oct 2016 #48

Jews "storming" the Mount, Israel inciting violence at the mount... shira Oct 2016 #49

The head of UNESCO condemned the resolution as a denial of history.... shira Oct 2016 #43

J-Street says UNESCO vote shows contempt for Jewish people's ties to Temple Mount shira Oct 2016 #14