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In reply to the discussion: Netanyahu to Abbas: If settlements didn’t exist, would you recognize a Jewish state? [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)20. Same map as the one at BBC. Is BBC also idiotic?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_israel_palestinians/maps/html/british_control.stm
There are plenty of websites which speak about the Palestine Mandate and the partition that created Jordan or Trans-Jordan. The fact is that Jordan was originally part of the Jewish homeland until this partition.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_transjordan.php
There are plenty of websites which speak about the Palestine Mandate and the partition that created Jordan or Trans-Jordan. The fact is that Jordan was originally part of the Jewish homeland until this partition.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_transjordan.php
How did the Arab territory of Transjordan come into being?
The 1922 White Paper (also called the Churchill White Paper) was the first official manifesto interpreting the Balfour Declaration. It was issued on June 3, 1922, after investigation of the 1921 disturbances. Although the White Paper stated that the Balfour Declaration could not be amended and that the Jews were in Palestine by right, it partitioned the area of the Mandate by excluding the area east of the Jordan River from Jewish settlement. That land, 76% of the original Palestine Mandate land, was renamed Transjordan and was given to the Emir Abdullah by the British.
The White Paper included the statement that the British Government:
... does not want Palestine to become "as Jewish as England is English", rather should become "a center in which Jewish people as a whole may take, on grounds of religion and race, an interest and a pride."
After the partition, Transjordan remained part of the Palestine Mandate and its legal system applied to all residents, both East and West of the Jordan River, who all carried Palestine Mandate passports. Palestine Mandate currency was the legal tender in Transjordan as well as the area West of the river. This was the consistent situation until 1946, 24 years later, when Britain completed the action by unilaterally granting Transjordan its independence. Thus the British subverted the purpose of the Palestine Mandate, partitioned Palestine and created an independent Palestine-Arab state with no regard for the rights and needs of the Jewish population. According to Sir Alec Kirkbride, the British representative in the area, Transjordan was:
... intended to serve as a reserve of land for use in the resettlement of Arabs once the National Home for the Jews in Palestine, which (Britain was) pledged to support, became an accomplished fact. There was no intention at that stage of forming the territory east of the River Jordan into an independent Arab state.
In 1925, the British added 60,000 sq. km. of desert to eastern Transjordan forming an "arm" of land to connect Transjordan with Iraq and to cut Syria off from the Arabian Peninsula. The British continued to favor exclusive Arab development east of the Jordan River by enacting restrictive regulations against the Jews, even when Arab leaders sought Jewish involvement in the development of Transjordan.
The 1922 White Paper (also called the Churchill White Paper) was the first official manifesto interpreting the Balfour Declaration. It was issued on June 3, 1922, after investigation of the 1921 disturbances. Although the White Paper stated that the Balfour Declaration could not be amended and that the Jews were in Palestine by right, it partitioned the area of the Mandate by excluding the area east of the Jordan River from Jewish settlement. That land, 76% of the original Palestine Mandate land, was renamed Transjordan and was given to the Emir Abdullah by the British.
The White Paper included the statement that the British Government:
... does not want Palestine to become "as Jewish as England is English", rather should become "a center in which Jewish people as a whole may take, on grounds of religion and race, an interest and a pride."
After the partition, Transjordan remained part of the Palestine Mandate and its legal system applied to all residents, both East and West of the Jordan River, who all carried Palestine Mandate passports. Palestine Mandate currency was the legal tender in Transjordan as well as the area West of the river. This was the consistent situation until 1946, 24 years later, when Britain completed the action by unilaterally granting Transjordan its independence. Thus the British subverted the purpose of the Palestine Mandate, partitioned Palestine and created an independent Palestine-Arab state with no regard for the rights and needs of the Jewish population. According to Sir Alec Kirkbride, the British representative in the area, Transjordan was:
... intended to serve as a reserve of land for use in the resettlement of Arabs once the National Home for the Jews in Palestine, which (Britain was) pledged to support, became an accomplished fact. There was no intention at that stage of forming the territory east of the River Jordan into an independent Arab state.
In 1925, the British added 60,000 sq. km. of desert to eastern Transjordan forming an "arm" of land to connect Transjordan with Iraq and to cut Syria off from the Arabian Peninsula. The British continued to favor exclusive Arab development east of the Jordan River by enacting restrictive regulations against the Jews, even when Arab leaders sought Jewish involvement in the development of Transjordan.
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Netanyahu to Abbas: If settlements didn’t exist, would you recognize a Jewish state? [View all]
shira
Nov 2016
OP
The very fact they won't recognize a Jewish state, won't give up on millions of refugees....
shira
Nov 2016
#6
Perhaps they just find it a little unfair that one group of people have refugee status
Tony_FLADEM
Nov 2016
#7
Yeah, it's unfair Jews are indigenous to Israel - isn't it? As for Palestinian refugees....
shira
Nov 2016
#8
From the time Jews began going to 'Palestine' in the last 19th century until about the late 1920's
Tony_FLADEM
Nov 2016
#9
Start at 1920, the Palestine of that time period designed to be the Jewish homeland....
shira
Nov 2016
#16
Now I'm curious, Tich. What was Palestine's boundaries during the Mandate period?
shira
Nov 2016
#42
Palestinians have rejected 3 deals in the past 16 years. Land swaps solve settlements...
shira
Nov 2016
#24
To play devil's advocate, if the Abbas said yes they would recognize Isreal, would the settlements
still_one
Nov 2016
#26
The Palestinians have rejected 3 peace deals since 2000 in which settlements would be dismantled....
shira
Nov 2016
#27
I am presenting a hypothetical shira. What would Netanyahu do if Abbas agreed to that?
still_one
Nov 2016
#28
I think the pressure would be too much on Netanyahu. Remember 1999 when Barak won....
shira
Nov 2016
#29