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moniss

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16. Once again your report you reference is behind the times
Sun Aug 25, 2024, 11:28 AM
Aug 2024

and your Netanyahu statement is from his spokesman on Thursday the 22nd. The controversy is what went down on Friday the 23rd.

Hamas has said they are listening but not attending and they are not attending because their stance is they said yes on July 2nd to the proposed Biden deal and since that time there has simply been more things added by Netanyahu. Anybody can parse Bibi saying his "clarifications" are not new items but all of the sourcing from the Western negotiators etc. refutes that. Even his own advisers say it. Even his intelligence say it.

The fact is that the radical right of his coalition does not want any agreement and has so stated. They want an entire taking of Gaza and have said so. So Netanyahu says things to appease Blinken. Blinken comes out and makes statements about "agreed proposals" and then Netanyahu gets an earful from the radical right like Ben-Gvir and then Netanyahu leaks out statements downplaying anything he said to Blinken in order to try and reassure the radical right that he is not going to make an agreement for a ceasefire. Even if he did agree to the first 6 week phase of ceasefire the entire 2nd phase is conditioned on further negotiations during the 1st phase. He will never seriously negotiate the 2nd phase during the 1st phase as called for.

The predictable end of this is Israel takes control of Gaza and expands settlements on a very large portion of the West Bank. Period. There is never going to be an actual 2 state solution. It is dogma for Netanyahu and the radical right. The world is going to do nothing to stop it other than pass resolutions and issue statements. Eventually the entirety of the Occupied Territories will be absorbed. Most of the Palestinian population will be driven out or end up living in an apartheid condition.

It doesn't matter whether someone wants to regurgitate the dead history of supposed "agreements" or "opportunities". My opinion has always been that all parties in the Middle East have never been sincere and honest about their intentions or adherence to any agreement or their role in bringing them about or supporting their application. The past is gone. It no longer matters to what remains when the bombing finally stops. All of the parties to this disgust me to my core as I have stated many times.

I believe little that comes from Hamas but I use other Middle Eastern sources like newspapers because believe it or not there are events that take place that aren't reported in the Western or Israeli media. There are stories about economic issues/development in those countries that are informative about what is going on. Believe it or not the Israeli/US view of the world and statements of fact are not always whole and complete and inclusive of facts known to others. Believe it or not people other than Israelis and Western citizens can have opinions that can be considered by a reader and may encourage more thought and fact finding for forming the opinion of the reader. Believe it or not I'm capable of discerning agenda driven BS as just that. But I am not so narrow in my thinking that I cannot read the name of an event or person mentioned in that opinion article and realize I had not known it before and then find it informative to go and further research the event or name.

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sounds suspiciously like a land grab nt msongs Aug 2024 #1
When conjecture turned speculation turned innuendo gets a platform to feign legitimacy, Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #2
possible tru in this case. the land grab on the west bank is not speculation however nt msongs Aug 2024 #3
It is not. But thankfully, the conversation has not gotten to the insanity Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #4
Control of water moniss Aug 2024 #7
Control of water is regulated by international treaties Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #9
The access issue has been extensively discussed moniss Aug 2024 #13
Possibly accurate, but this is not the issue raised in the OP. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #25
SOS Blinken debunked the claim. lapucelle Aug 2024 #5
One more lie to the pile for Netanyahu would be no surprise moniss Aug 2024 #6
Your report is dated moniss Aug 2024 #8
Oh dear. Where to begin... lapucelle Aug 2024 #10
They reported what Netanyahu's office moniss Aug 2024 #14
Yes, but the fact remains that the source YOU chose to cite is a right wing, low credibility, state propaganda lapucelle Aug 2024 #19
Perhaps you are mixing things moniss Aug 2024 #20
It's not unusual that fanciful theories are backed up by nothing other than the random musings of fanciful theorists lapucelle Aug 2024 #21
Well there you go again failing to answer the substance of the response that was moniss Aug 2024 #22
Now that the fanciful theory that Israel is secretly planning to build a canal through Gaza lapucelle Aug 2024 #23
Hamas says what? Your right wing, low credibility, state media propaganda *news source* lapucelle Aug 2024 #11
Apparently you don't know think there is an ability to moniss Aug 2024 #15
Once again your report you reference is behind the times moniss Aug 2024 #16
Your right wing, low credibility, state propaganda source you reference does not support your fanciful theory lapucelle Aug 2024 #17
Once again moniss Aug 2024 #18
And finally, your right wing, low credibility, state propaganda link lapucelle Aug 2024 #12
Why shouldn't Israel control it's borders? Mosby Aug 2024 #24
Your assumption moniss Aug 2024 #30
The philadelphi corridor is the border. Mosby Aug 2024 #32
The Corridor is a strip of land on the Egyptian side of the Egypt/Gaza moniss Aug 2024 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author SheltieLover Aug 2024 #26
Tough to see how the geography works for this pipe dream. CincyDem Aug 2024 #27
I agree with you that moniss Aug 2024 #28
I suspect the width and location of the path might imply the end depth of the path. CincyDem Aug 2024 #29
Last estimated cost I saw was moniss Aug 2024 #31
US taxpayers' money at work over the moon (from South Lebanon, photograph by Yusuf Bazzi). walznotwalls Sep 2024 #34
let me try again (broken link) walznotwalls Sep 2024 #35
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