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William Seger

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32. Douglas Horne is a good example of why I no longer take JFK conspiracism seriously
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 01:47 AM
Jul 2016

There is no credible evidence that the Zapruder film has been altered. Another of "very few people who saw the uncut original of the film" was Abraham Zapruder, and he repeatedly said the film showed exactly what he saw that day. Furthermore, it's consistent with the Nix, Muchmore, and Hughes films. Furthermore, it's consistent with all the other physical evidence. Furthermore, neither Horne nor anyone else has ever provided a remotely plausible explanation for how such alterations could have been done in 1963 given any amount of time, much less in the brief time before copies of the film were made.

You say Brugioni "is a film expert and no huckster" and link to a 1.5-hour video which supposedly supports your contention that the "Zapruder film that the public saw was highly edited." Yet, all Brugioni says that seems pertinent to that issue is that he remembers the "pink cloud" of debris being much larger in the print he made than what he now sees in some other (unidentified and unspecified) print, and he speculates that the frame he made a print from has been removed (for some unidentified and unspecified reason). Well, I don't claim to be a film expert, but I've certainly seen different scanned versions of frame 313 where the debris cloud looks different, which I take to be simply differences in the printing or the scanning. And I can also look at the Zapruder film myself and see no evidence whatsoever of frames being removed, which would be completely obvious. (Some JFK conspiracists follow that observation to its "logical conclusion": the film was not altered; it a complete fake.) So "expert" or not, that falls far, far short of being proof of such an implausible claim.

Seriously, if you find Horne's other lame arguments in this video compelling, then I suggest that perhaps you haven't really thought them through.

The JFK assassination [View all] Craig234 Jun 2016 OP
anyone who believes the official JFK assassination story (Oswald was a lone nut) Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #1
This thread is not to turn into Craig234 Jun 2016 #2
where was the insult? Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #3
Where is the insult? Craig234 Jun 2016 #4
are you willing to learn? Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #5
You haven't read the book I recommended above for the lone assassin theory. Craig234 Jun 2016 #6
His murderous nature? milestogo Jul 2016 #21
I think all of those claims are incorrect. Craig234 Jul 2016 #22
Did it ever occur to you that Oswald was telling the truth? milestogo Jul 2016 #24
You need to be more honest in your discussing Craig234 Jul 2016 #26
Your arguments are basically gross generalizations or insults. milestogo Jul 2016 #27
Your post is simply a slanderous lie. Craig234 Jul 2016 #28
unless it addresses the thousands of pieces of evidence disproving the official story Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #7
If you wish to remain uninformed, that's your choice Craig234 Jun 2016 #8
aren't you the one remaining uninformed, if you dismiss all the conspiracy evidence? Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #11
That's not uninformed. Craig234 Jun 2016 #12
A few things Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #13
I think you have the wrong approach Craig234 Jun 2016 #14
"The evidence strongly suggests that all of the shot came from Oswald's rifle in the TBSD" ArtD48 Jun 2016 #9
The science says, all shots from the rear Craig234 Jun 2016 #10
All 40 of the medical personnel at Parkland Hospital saw an entrance wound milestogo Jul 2016 #18
I think those claims are all incorrect. Craig234 Jul 2016 #19
There are plenty of interviews on YouTube with the doctors milestogo Jul 2016 #20
We disagree Craig234 Jul 2016 #23
Oliver Stone's bullshit claims another victim William Seger Jul 2016 #15
The Zapruder film that the public saw was highly edited. milestogo Jul 2016 #25
Douglas Horne is a good example of why I no longer take JFK conspiracism seriously William Seger Jul 2016 #32
It's not complicated. It's simple alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #16
I disagree Craig234 Jul 2016 #17
From Tip O'Neill's book "Man of the House" (1987) dflprincess Jul 2016 #29
great post! thank you. n/t wildbilln864 Jul 2016 #30
That's part of the information Craig234 Jul 2016 #31
LOL The CIA killing ANY US Commander in Chief ANYTIME is funny and... Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #33
There is a man claiming to have shot the final bullet : Edward Palamar Oct 2016 #34
The rule now is to stay with excepted facts sab390 Dec 2016 #35
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