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In reply to the discussion: Conspiracy v. fact 9/11 [View all]tomk52
(46 posts)38. it's 2005 all over again?
Groundhog day?
An 11 year long game of Whack-A-Mole?
1. Who uses the verb "pull" to mean "take these people out of (away from) building"?
How about FDNY Chief Peter Hayden.
From Firehouse Magazine Interview, April 2002
"... but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 oclock in the afternoon, but by about 2 oclock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and thats probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didnt make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
...
Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7 did you have to get all of those people out?
Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didnt want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasnt even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didnt know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 oclock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then.
One interview, used it 4 times.
So the FDNY had known for hours hat the building was likely coming down, had been trying hard to pull back all of their men & everyone else, and had been in contact with Silverstein about those efforts to pull back their men, their cordon, their equipment, their entire effort back from the building.
Presumably, if Silverstein had said, "... maybe the smartest thing to do is pull back ...", this whole issue evaporates.
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2. You're STILL quote-mining.
Full quote:
"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."
- Larry Silverstein
Which makes sense?
a) 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is not worry about trying to save it, but get everyone back from the building.'
or
b)'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is blow up the building.'
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3. Who gives a taped interview to the National press (PBS) and calmly announces, "oh, by the way, I committed treason, destruction of other people's property on a biblical scale & insurance fraud worth a couple hundred million dollars"???
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4. Do you also ask your auto mechanic to perform brain surgery??
The FDNY is not, & never has been, in the business of demolishing buildings. But somehow you expect people to accept your interpretation that "they (the FDNY) made the decision to (blow up the building)."
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This must be the 500th time that people have made at least some of these compelling arguments to you.
Please provide any interpretation - that a reasonable person would find sensible - for items 2, 3 & 4. above.
Please explain why 500x debunked nonsense never dies.
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The engines of the plane that hit the Pentagon energetically dissasembled themselves when they diges
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2013
#2
Um, the south tower core columns up to floor 50 or so are visible standing in the dust
AtheistCrusader
May 2013
#78
Luckily, there's VIDEO of that exceedingly short period of time. Remember that? nt
greyl
Mar 2013
#22
That is the 10' EXIT hole in the Pentagon E ring - not the entrance hole in the facade.
hack89
Mar 2013
#50
You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place
stevebreeze
May 2013
#76
There's nothing resembling sound premises or valid logical inferences in your argument
William Seger
Mar 2013
#59