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tomk52

(46 posts)
38. it's 2005 all over again?
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:26 AM
Mar 2013

Groundhog day?
An 11 year long game of Whack-A-Mole?

1. Who uses the verb "pull" to mean "take these people out of (away from) building"?

How about FDNY Chief Peter Hayden.
From Firehouse Magazine Interview, April 2002


"... but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?

Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
...

Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7— did you have to get all of those people out?

Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then.


One interview, used it 4 times.

So the FDNY had known for hours hat the building was likely coming down, had been trying hard to pull back all of their men & everyone else, and had been in contact with Silverstein about those efforts to pull back their men, their cordon, their equipment, their entire effort back from the building.

Presumably, if Silverstein had said, "... maybe the smartest thing to do is pull back ...", this whole issue evaporates.
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2. You're STILL quote-mining.
Full quote:

"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."
- Larry Silverstein


Which makes sense?

a) 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is not worry about trying to save it, but get everyone back from the building.'
or
b)'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is blow up the building.'
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3. Who gives a taped interview to the National press (PBS) and calmly announces, "oh, by the way, I committed treason, destruction of other people's property on a biblical scale & insurance fraud worth a couple hundred million dollars"???
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4. Do you also ask your auto mechanic to perform brain surgery??

The FDNY is not, & never has been, in the business of demolishing buildings. But somehow you expect people to accept your interpretation that "they (the FDNY) made the decision to (blow up the building)."
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This must be the 500th time that people have made at least some of these compelling arguments to you.

Please provide any interpretation - that a reasonable person would find sensible - for items 2, 3 & 4. above.

Please explain why 500x debunked nonsense never dies.
Conspiracy v. fact 9/11 [View all] Prog_gun_owner Feb 2013 OP
My favorite.... Frank_Norris_Lives Feb 2013 #1
Yup, ludicrous. But... tomk52 Mar 2013 #13
My apologies..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #46
thanks for reply. tomk52 Mar 2013 #51
The engines of the plane that hit the Pentagon energetically dissasembled themselves when they diges AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #2
Ok Prog_gun_owner Feb 2013 #3
I don't know what the fuck "Thur-mate" is. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #4
The whole "official" 9/11 story is riddled with stinking-lying Republican holes Berlum Feb 2013 #5
You do realize, don't you ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #57
Could thermite cutters even survive a plane impact? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #62
Depends on what the word "survive" means... tomk52 Mar 2013 #63
Thank-you Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #70
An aside... tomk52 Mar 2013 #64
Here's a picture of what tomk52 is talking about. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #65
Thank-you -- I was about to "Press 1 for English" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #69
You do realize that the NIST animation Politicalboi May 2013 #73
Um, the south tower core columns up to floor 50 or so are visible standing in the dust AtheistCrusader May 2013 #78
LOL ocpagu May 2013 #79
I thought you truthers gave up... tomk52 May 2013 #81
The right way to ask questions... tomk52 Mar 2013 #6
In that case, I have a first question..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #8
Jet engines don't leave thick, white exhaust trails until ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #9
Are you saying.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #14
I am saying that ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #16
A well-reasoned explanation for the smoke trail: greyl Mar 2013 #19
Nice animation but.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #20
Luckily, there's VIDEO of that exceedingly short period of time. Remember that? nt greyl Mar 2013 #22
Perhaps in the grand scheme of things, ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #23
Well, that's strange because..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #26
Well, I have to agree that this is strange... tomk52 Mar 2013 #32
One certainly can't help but admire... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #39
OF COURSE you get to ignore all those witnesses. tomk52 Mar 2013 #40
Well said! zappaman Mar 2013 #41
Wow...... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #42
... said Frank, rubbing his sore ass. William Seger Mar 2013 #43
And here is your last bastion ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #44
You and.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #47
LOL, I had forgotten that... William Seger Mar 2013 #48
What you scoffin' at, Willis?? tomk52 Mar 2013 #53
Well, there has to be SOME explanation William Seger Mar 2013 #55
Yup. tomk52 Mar 2013 #56
2nd last bastion... tomk52 Mar 2013 #52
They'll say anything Politicalboi May 2013 #74
Saying nonsense doesn't make it true. tomk52 May 2013 #82
How did the engines penetrate through a 10' hole? BobbyBoring Mar 2013 #10
5 sentences. So much misinformation... tomk52 Mar 2013 #12
Aren't we here.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #15
You went thru a lot of effort to be this lazy ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #17
Good Grief! Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #21
You got a bus to catch...?? tomk52 Mar 2013 #25
We have for years Politicalboi May 2013 #75
It wasn't a 10 foot hole hack89 Mar 2013 #27
This is a 90' hole? BobbyBoring Mar 2013 #49
That is the 10' EXIT hole in the Pentagon E ring - not the entrance hole in the facade. hack89 Mar 2013 #50
Bobby, anything more to say...? tomk52 Mar 2013 #45
You say you read the FEMA/ASCE Pentagon BPAT report? tomk52 Mar 2013 #54
I have questions that don't involve the collapses Politicalboi Mar 2013 #7
Here's an answer that doesn't involve collapses... tomk52 Mar 2013 #11
Wow... what a waste of time reading this. ocpagu Mar 2013 #18
Are you kidding? tomk52 Mar 2013 #24
Several of Bazant's explanations... ocpagu Mar 2013 #30
Again, tomk52 Mar 2013 #31
On NIST site ocpagu Mar 2013 #35
Yup, I didn't think you understood either one. tomk52 Mar 2013 #37
There are pictures of seats (with bodies attached) hack89 Mar 2013 #28
Because... ocpagu Mar 2013 #29
How do you pack so much "wrong"... tomk52 Mar 2013 #58
LOL. ocpagu Mar 2013 #60
This has become a pattern. tomk52 Mar 2013 #61
Ya can't have it both ways, government apologists AlwaysQuestion Mar 2013 #33
Yeah right zappaman Mar 2013 #34
Who in this planet has ever used the expression ocpagu Mar 2013 #36
it's 2005 all over again? tomk52 Mar 2013 #38
You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place stevebreeze May 2013 #76
Because.... Frank_Norris_Lives May 2013 #77
He knows that... ocpagu May 2013 #80
There's nothing resembling sound premises or valid logical inferences in your argument William Seger Mar 2013 #59
Pro_gun_owner...Here's a link to a video that I encourage you to watch... truth2power Mar 2013 #66
"... not honestly searching for a resolution ..." tomk52 Apr 2013 #67
No thanks.... truth2power Apr 2013 #68
you seem to have a "legal" slant on things... tomk52 Apr 2013 #71
Welcome to the club Politicalboi May 2013 #72
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