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tomk52

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58. How do you pack so much "wrong"...
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 07:11 AM
Mar 2013

... in such little space?

"revision of history" implies some core concept or conclusion has been changed by the discovery of new information. In the case of 9/11 conspiracy theories, the exact opposite is true.

Not one single 9/11CT "theory" has borne the slightest fruit. Not one has proven to be valid.

OTOH, the conclusions put forward by NIST in their report have now undergone 5 years of examination by the engineering community & have been accepted. To be clear, I am talking about all technical "what happened, why did they collapse" aspects.

NIST made a bunch of regulatory recommendations, related to the design of new buildings. Some of these have been accepted & implemented, mostly related to issues of "better adherence of insulation, widely separated & better protected stairwells, and more attention to "progressive failure modes & analysis". That is, ways to help the building stand longer & get the people out.

Others were controversial, some accepted and many (I believe correctly) rejected by the structural engineering community as too costly, with too little return. These were issues related to "making buildings more survivable to airplane impact" & retrofitting older structures. These were rejected principally because, while it is entirely feasible to make buildings "more robust" (at tremendous cost), it is impossible to design (or retrofit) any modern high rise "to be able to withstand a plane impact" of the 9/11 type. This correct statement should be eye-opening to those who still labor under the delusion that the WTC towers were "designed to withstand a plane impact". That's a (fascinating, from an engineering POV) urban myth.

Not one code change for "thermite detection" or "inspection for secretly planted explosives" has been brought forward. Well, has not survived the "laughed out of the room at first suggestion" test, at least.

And many, many changes have been made in the airline industry to enormously strengthen the "keep terrorists off of the plane" & especially "out of the cockpit" procedures.

ALL of the above (last 7 years of engineering) history in multiple disciplines confirms NIST's conclusions.

And verifies that "revision of history", in its big picture in this case, is not only unnecessary, but incorrect.

As far as the revision that Truthers are looking for ("OBL innocent, Bush/Cheney et al guilty&quot , keep dreaming.
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What "luminaries" have put forth the silly, silly theory that you claim?

True, academic "revision of history" happens all the time. And most of it shows that earlier academic historians did an excellent job with the info that they had. Most of it fills in some blanks, broadens perspectives & ends up strengthening & supporting previous conclusions.

"Revisionist history", the kind that turns previous big picture 180° (again, the type Truthers are looking for, here) is to the 99th percentile, a bad joke. And is the polar opposite of the very word "history". (Examples "America had foreknowledge of, or pushed Japan into, Pearl harbor attack", "Eisenhower's 7 million murdered German POWs", & "US's foreknowledge of 9/11 attacks & stand down of defenses&quot .

Yup, that stuff is "for lunatics". And politically driven ideologues. And Angry Young Men. And DVD selling shysters.

BTW, "the US gov't does not lie" is not part of any real history. That's also an ideologue's delusion.

And the US Gov't wrote not one word of NIST's conclusions. The NIST report is not "Da Gubbamint's" (or even "The Government's) story. It is the considered conclusions of over 200 professional, accomplished engineers.

Conclusions which, the US government, in a all-too-rare demonstration of good judgment & common sense, accepted.

Conspiracy v. fact 9/11 [View all] Prog_gun_owner Feb 2013 OP
My favorite.... Frank_Norris_Lives Feb 2013 #1
Yup, ludicrous. But... tomk52 Mar 2013 #13
My apologies..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #46
thanks for reply. tomk52 Mar 2013 #51
The engines of the plane that hit the Pentagon energetically dissasembled themselves when they diges AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #2
Ok Prog_gun_owner Feb 2013 #3
I don't know what the fuck "Thur-mate" is. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #4
The whole "official" 9/11 story is riddled with stinking-lying Republican holes Berlum Feb 2013 #5
You do realize, don't you ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #57
Could thermite cutters even survive a plane impact? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #62
Depends on what the word "survive" means... tomk52 Mar 2013 #63
Thank-you Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #70
An aside... tomk52 Mar 2013 #64
Here's a picture of what tomk52 is talking about. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #65
Thank-you -- I was about to "Press 1 for English" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #69
You do realize that the NIST animation Politicalboi May 2013 #73
Um, the south tower core columns up to floor 50 or so are visible standing in the dust AtheistCrusader May 2013 #78
LOL ocpagu May 2013 #79
I thought you truthers gave up... tomk52 May 2013 #81
The right way to ask questions... tomk52 Mar 2013 #6
In that case, I have a first question..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #8
Jet engines don't leave thick, white exhaust trails until ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #9
Are you saying.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #14
I am saying that ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #16
A well-reasoned explanation for the smoke trail: greyl Mar 2013 #19
Nice animation but.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #20
Luckily, there's VIDEO of that exceedingly short period of time. Remember that? nt greyl Mar 2013 #22
Perhaps in the grand scheme of things, ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #23
Well, that's strange because..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #26
Well, I have to agree that this is strange... tomk52 Mar 2013 #32
One certainly can't help but admire... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #39
OF COURSE you get to ignore all those witnesses. tomk52 Mar 2013 #40
Well said! zappaman Mar 2013 #41
Wow...... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #42
... said Frank, rubbing his sore ass. William Seger Mar 2013 #43
And here is your last bastion ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #44
You and.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #47
LOL, I had forgotten that... William Seger Mar 2013 #48
What you scoffin' at, Willis?? tomk52 Mar 2013 #53
Well, there has to be SOME explanation William Seger Mar 2013 #55
Yup. tomk52 Mar 2013 #56
2nd last bastion... tomk52 Mar 2013 #52
They'll say anything Politicalboi May 2013 #74
Saying nonsense doesn't make it true. tomk52 May 2013 #82
How did the engines penetrate through a 10' hole? BobbyBoring Mar 2013 #10
5 sentences. So much misinformation... tomk52 Mar 2013 #12
Aren't we here.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #15
You went thru a lot of effort to be this lazy ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #17
Good Grief! Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #21
You got a bus to catch...?? tomk52 Mar 2013 #25
We have for years Politicalboi May 2013 #75
It wasn't a 10 foot hole hack89 Mar 2013 #27
This is a 90' hole? BobbyBoring Mar 2013 #49
That is the 10' EXIT hole in the Pentagon E ring - not the entrance hole in the facade. hack89 Mar 2013 #50
Bobby, anything more to say...? tomk52 Mar 2013 #45
You say you read the FEMA/ASCE Pentagon BPAT report? tomk52 Mar 2013 #54
I have questions that don't involve the collapses Politicalboi Mar 2013 #7
Here's an answer that doesn't involve collapses... tomk52 Mar 2013 #11
Wow... what a waste of time reading this. ocpagu Mar 2013 #18
Are you kidding? tomk52 Mar 2013 #24
Several of Bazant's explanations... ocpagu Mar 2013 #30
Again, tomk52 Mar 2013 #31
On NIST site ocpagu Mar 2013 #35
Yup, I didn't think you understood either one. tomk52 Mar 2013 #37
There are pictures of seats (with bodies attached) hack89 Mar 2013 #28
Because... ocpagu Mar 2013 #29
How do you pack so much "wrong"... tomk52 Mar 2013 #58
LOL. ocpagu Mar 2013 #60
This has become a pattern. tomk52 Mar 2013 #61
Ya can't have it both ways, government apologists AlwaysQuestion Mar 2013 #33
Yeah right zappaman Mar 2013 #34
Who in this planet has ever used the expression ocpagu Mar 2013 #36
it's 2005 all over again? tomk52 Mar 2013 #38
You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place stevebreeze May 2013 #76
Because.... Frank_Norris_Lives May 2013 #77
He knows that... ocpagu May 2013 #80
There's nothing resembling sound premises or valid logical inferences in your argument William Seger Mar 2013 #59
Pro_gun_owner...Here's a link to a video that I encourage you to watch... truth2power Mar 2013 #66
"... not honestly searching for a resolution ..." tomk52 Apr 2013 #67
No thanks.... truth2power Apr 2013 #68
you seem to have a "legal" slant on things... tomk52 Apr 2013 #71
Welcome to the club Politicalboi May 2013 #72
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