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OrwellwasRight

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128. You seem to be spending a lot of time disproving

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 02:57 PM

Mar 2013

something that I don't think anyone proposed is my point. If you think that many have proposed it, well I guess that is your experience. Where was he supposed to have been?

And as for no evidence of a second shooter?

-witnesses who saw/smelled smoke from the grassy knoll/fence
-witnesses who claim they saw a possible shooter in the grassy knoll/fence area
-witnesses who heard shots coming from the grassy knoll
-Dallas PD tape in which you can hear 4 shots
-timing of the use of Oswald's rifle indicating that you could not aim and get three shots off in the time allotted
-autopsy evidence that JFK was hit from the front
-the "magic bullet"

Try reading a number of books /reports if you think there is "no evidence ever presented of a second shooter":
Rush to Judgment
On the Trail of Assassins
The Kennedy Conspiracy: 12 Startling Revelations About the JFK Assassination
Best Evidence
Crossfire
HSCA

etc.!

Again, I have no illusions that you will change your mind about a second shooter. And I have no intention of trying to change it. But saying there is "no evidence" of a second shooter is simply incorrect. YOU may not find the evidence credible, and that of course if your prerogative. But there is indeed EVIDENCE.

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Bugliosi: 53 Reasons It Was Lee Harvey Oswald [View all] Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 OP

Great idea. Don't have the book BootinUp Mar 2013 #1

(1) Oswald always visited Marina in Irving on a Friday. Nov 21 was the first Thursday visit ever. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #2

You omitted the part where he left all his money zappaman Mar 2013 #3

That's coming. n/t Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #5

(2) Oswald's claim to be getting curtain rods in Irving was an implausible lie. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #4

(3) Oswald told Frazier he would NOT be coming back to Irving on Friday night. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #6

(4) That night Oswald avoided Kennedy talk with Marina, a subject it was their custom to discuss. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #7

Kick! n/t zappaman Mar 2013 #8

(5) Friday morning, Oswald left almost all his cash and his wedding ring in Irving. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #9

Thanks for this thread! frogmarch Mar 2013 #10

(6) On Friday morning, Oswald placed a long paper-wrapped package in the back seat of Frazier's car. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #11

(7) Frazier noticed that for the first time on a return trip from Irving, Oswald brought no lunch. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #12

(8) On arrival at the TSBD, Oswald walked faster and ahead of Frazier for the first time ever. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #13

(9) For the first time ever, Oswald didn't read the paper in the TSBD domino room. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #14

Man..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #61

Not just daily routine. The trip to Irving was a weekly thing. n/t Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #64

(10) Oswald's pretense with a co-worker that he didn't know JFK's route Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #15

(11) Howard Brennan saw Lee Harvey Oswald fire the third shot that killed the President. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #16

Funny.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #60

What you've said here doesn't negate the fact that Brennan saw Oswald take the third shot. n/t Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #63

This is a weak point alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #68

Yes, that he wouldn't do the positive ID right then weakens this point. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #72

Right, bbut you and I would both probably discount any such testimony in a live criminal case alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #77

(12) Kennedy's assassin was at the now-infamous sixth-floor window. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #17

(13) During interrogation, Oswald put himself on the sixth floor at the time of the assassination. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #18

(14) Oswald's story of getting a Coke after hearing commotion of assassination is not sensible. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #19

(15) It makes no sense that Oswald the "political animal" had no interest in the President's death. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #20

I figured you needed more than one person pumping his own thread, so I'll add this... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #21

"Price $10.00" Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #22

Are you accusing me of advertising? MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #25

Yes. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #26

You and I don't rise to the level of having "history"... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #40

I'm glad to see you've put it all out of your beautiful mind. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #42

Bolo Boffin... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #43

MrMickeysMom Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #44

Here ya go zappaman Mar 2013 #37

Does it have a spooky one-note soundtrack? William Seger Mar 2013 #35

Sorry to interupt all the cheering..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #23

Why do you need an explanation for this? Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #24

I suppose that means..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #36

Drats! zappaman Mar 2013 #38

Buggsi. Cute. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #39

So Buggsi doesn't.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #45

How exactly would Oswald have acted differently if he had killed JFK? Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #46

I'm calling Superman immediately..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #57

No, thanks. All I need is a simple answer from you about what you meant. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #58

LOL! zappaman Mar 2013 #47

Not much sense to me either... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #41

That's not true. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #116

Among the people who didn't say "Oswald wasn't there": me. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #121

You seem to be spending a lot of time disproving OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #128

Your list of evidence. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #143

Many of these are largely debunked by Enemy of the Truth, Myths, Forensics, and the Kennedy Assassin OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #149

"Your insults will get you nowhere, and I welcome you to stop." zappaman Apr 2013 #150

I am not here to be told that people do not know what they smell and where. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #151

You really have a chip on your shoulder. zappaman Apr 2013 #152

The fact that you can't agree to disagree means you are in fact trying to make me feel inferior. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #157

Chip? MrMickeysMom Apr 2013 #241

I'm not here to engage in Monty Python Argument Clinic Style "discussions" OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #158

" I'm not here to engage in Monty Python Argument Clinic Style "discussions"" zappaman Apr 2013 #159

I already did. nt. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #164

Should you wish, there are some real threads here... MrMickeysMom Apr 2013 #242

And deservedly so. zappaman Apr 2013 #244

If you think I've insulted you deliberately, alert on my post. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #154

Oh yes, my feeble mind has been misled. Woe is me. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #155

"your implicaiton that I am feebleminded" - something you're importing to the conversation. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #160

You refuse to discuss the facts. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #163

Do you understand that 'credible evidence' and 'non-credible evidence' are legal terms? Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #165

Thank you for the legal lesson counselor. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #166

Oh, Sherry Fiester was present at the autopsy and was able to examine the body? n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #167

Oh, you were? nt. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #168

I'll take that as your "No, Fiester was not." n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #169

I'll take that as a no, Bugliosi was not as well. nt. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #173

So let's all acquiesce to those who were at the autopsy. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #176

um, no. that's the point. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #177

Also, there's a slight problem with the location Feister IDs as the site of the kill shot. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #170

Yes, because everything you believe is superior to what I believe. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #174

Very strange how you insist on making this personal Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #175

No, I don't insist on making this personal. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #178

You are misrepresenting the video in this response. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #179

Agree to disagree. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #180

You misquoting the video is not an "agree to disagree" moment. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #181

Again you ignore my post to focus on what you want to talk about. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #182

Well, I'm not impressed by someone who misrepresents the facts. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #183

I have not misrepresented any facts. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #184

Yes, you have. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #185

Um, no I haven't. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #186

I thought you wanted to be "left alone"? zappaman Apr 2013 #187

And why do you? OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #188

Point to one post where I, or anyone else calls you a liar. zappaman Apr 2013 #189

Post 183, for instance. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #192

Your words in reply to me... zappaman Apr 2013 #193

Post 183, for instance. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #196

Where is the post where I called you a liar? zappaman Apr 2013 #198

Repetition. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #233

Fact: You claimed a statement was made about the south overpass position. It was about the north. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #190

Fact: You posted the video and asked me to watch it. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #191

"What is also a fact is that I have told you I don't want to continue this conversation. " zappaman Apr 2013 #194

You keep replying. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #199

"Leave me alone!" zappaman Apr 2013 #200

I would if you'd stop replying. nt. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #219

If you want to be left alone, why do you keep replying? zappaman Apr 2013 #220

Because I want YOU to leave ME alone. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #222

Then why do you keep accusing me of calling you a liar? zappaman Apr 2013 #223

"KEEP accusing YOU"???? OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #226

No, you keep saying I called you a liar zappaman Apr 2013 #227

No, you keep editing your question. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #231

Fact: I am an irony junkie. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #195

You are many things. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #197

Governments lie. zappaman Apr 2013 #201

See post #183. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #218

I didn't write post #183 zappaman Apr 2013 #221

Show me the post where I said "you" called me a liar. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #230

Yes, some posters do. Hello pot. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #234

My mind is quite open to the facts and reasonable interpretations of them. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #202

I don't want you to consider any additional evidence. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #217

Why? Because if I do, that conflicts with the little box you want to file me away in? Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #237

What? OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #239

What, indeed. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #243

(16) After the assassination, only Oswald missed a roll call at the TSBD. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #27

The devil really is..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #66

Vague foreknowledge? The roll calls were taken after the assassination. n/t Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #73

(17) Oswald walked past his normal bus stop and walked seven blocks to board a different line. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #28

Another weak point alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #69

(18) Oswald left the Marsalis bus when it got caught in traffic. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #29

Damn, Lee is thinking to himself.... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #59

Your attempt at parody/mind reading doesn't negate that this actually happened. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #62

(19) Oswald's not speaking to the cab driver about the assassination is striking. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #30

(20) Oswald had the cab drive past his residence, dropping him off down the road. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #31

(21) Oswald's behavior at his boarding house indicates a flight in progress. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #32

(22) Oswald retrieved his revolver at the rooming house. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #33

(23) In addition to getting a coat and his gun, Oswald changed trousers. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #34

Weak point alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #70

Oswald's clipboard was found later. He'd filled no orders. He'd done no TSBD work that day. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #74

Yes, of course alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #78

That's pretty weak. secondvariety Mar 2013 #94

If this was all there was, I'd agree the case was weak. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #95

(24) Lee Harvey Oswald murdered J.D. Tippit. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #48

(25) A store manager saw Oswald evading police sirens in front of his store. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #49

(26) Oswald slipped into the Texas Theater without buying a ticket. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #50

(27) When approached by police in the Texas Theater, Oswald said "Well, it is all over now." Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #51

Hmmm...... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #65

Hung out to dry for both Kennedy and Tippit? Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #75

(28) Oswald then fought the police and tried to pull his revolver out. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #52

(29) After arrest, Oswald refused to even give his name to arresting officers. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #53

(30) Oswald made a clenched-fist salute to reporters. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #54

My mom and I saw frogmarch Mar 2013 #67

(31) Oswald refused a lie detector test. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #55

Not necessarily. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #117

This thread is not about disproving a second shooter. It's about Oswald's involvement. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #122

Sure. Of course. Or they decline because OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #126

(32) After visiting him on Saturday, Marina came away convinced of Oswald's guilt. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #56

Weak point alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #71

Yes, I agree YMMV on this one. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #76

Thank you for the list! Fascinating! alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #79

Agreed. There also may be multiple explanations for his behavior, as well as for the other evidence. eomer Mar 2013 #91

Has Ancient Aliens covered this yet? ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #80

Well... Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #81

Oh, well there we go. The History Channel wouldn't make shit up. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #82

(33) Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was found on the sixth floor of the TSBD. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #83

(34) The mostly intact bullet (CE 399) and two of the fragments were fired from this rifle. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #84

(35) The three expended shells on the sixth floor were "fired in and ejected from" Oswald's rifle. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #85

(36) A handmade paper bag large enough to carry Oswald's rifle was found in the sniper's nest. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #86

(37) Oswald's prints were found on boxes that comprised the sniper's nest. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #87

(38) Oswald was the sole owner of the revolver found in his possession on arrest. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #88

(39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with being fired from Oswald's .38. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #89

(40) The four cartridge shells found at the Tippit murder scene were fired from Oswald's revolver. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #90

(54) Oswald said he didn't do it. Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #92

Oswald fleeing the scene of the crime says he did it. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #93

Others with as much secondvariety Mar 2013 #96

Do you know what they based this statement on? zappaman Mar 2013 #97

One of the things secondvariety Mar 2013 #99

Actually, most people refute it. zappaman Mar 2013 #101

The NAS secondvariety Mar 2013 #102

I've only been to Dallas a couple of times but do bullets just fly around all the time? ryan_cats Apr 2013 #161

Well, under digital analysis 20-30 years later... zappaman Apr 2013 #162

Was that before or after Earth was quarantined? ryan_cats Apr 2013 #171

Wow. zappaman Apr 2013 #172

There is no way frogmarch Mar 2013 #98

I don't know- secondvariety Mar 2013 #100

(41) A paraffin test on Oswald's hands showed he'd fired a revolver just before his arrest. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #103

Does the paraffin test showing Oswald never field a rifle that day speak for itself as well? bogmanla Feb 2014 #250

(42) Oswald left his blue jacket behind in the TSBD. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #104

(43) Oswald's tan jacket was found along the path Tippit's killer took. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #105

(44) Oswald's work clipboard was found on the sixth floor of the TSBD. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #106

(45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the Mannlicher-Carcano specifically. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #107

No transcription or recording was made of Oswald in DPD custody bogmanla Feb 2014 #251

(46) Oswald lied about being in the backyard photo where he was holding his rifle. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #108

1) Did Lee Harvey Oswald have a clift chin or a flat-bottomed chin? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #203

Here are some links for you to read and will answer your questions. zappaman Apr 2013 #204

If someone said something about a "mysterious line across Oswald's chin," it was somebody AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #206

Maybe you should believe the experts using technology not available 50 years ago. zappaman Apr 2013 #208

Who says that I don't believe the "experts." Are you trying to engage in a poor ad hominem attack? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #209

So you do? zappaman Apr 2013 #210

So I do what? Believe "experts" instead of my lying eyes? Is that what you do? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #211

Do you lying eyes know the images you posted weren't manipulated zappaman Apr 2013 #212

Obviously, you are obsessed with believing experts. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #213

I believe experts over you, yes. n/t zappaman Apr 2013 #214

I'm not trying to convince you of anything or even to think for yourself. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #215

Then why post those images? zappaman Apr 2013 #216

This isn't about you. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #224

So you created the images you posted? zappaman Apr 2013 #225

Others can see the link. Sorry to hear about your comprehension problem. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #228

Oh, I see it's Ralph Thomas zappaman Apr 2013 #229

Are you just kicking this thread? I'm done. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #232

Did you happen to look at more photos? William Seger Apr 2013 #235

You "would expect a real photo-analyst to know" that whether or not the chin looks cleft depends on AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #238

Oh, sorry William Seger Apr 2013 #240

An analysis of the photos: frogmarch Apr 2013 #205

Yea, the top and bottom photos look exactly the same. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #207

Or did he have a pointed chin? Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #236

(47) Oswald lied about having seen the picture before. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #109

(48) Oswald lied about living at the place where the picture with the rifle was taken. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #110

(49) Oswald lied about telling Wesley Frazier the curtain rod story. n/t Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #111

(50) Oswald lied about putting a long package into Frazier's car that morning. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #112

(51) Oswald told police the only thing he'd brought to work that morning was his lunch. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #113

(52) Oswald lied about having lunch on the first floor with two other employees. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #114

(53) Oswald lied about where he'd bought his revolver. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #115

Yes, this obviously proves he killed the president. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #118

It's not one of these that proves it. zappaman Mar 2013 #119

Even all 53 of these together do not prove he acted alone. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #120

You are the one with a red herring in this thread, OrwellwasRight. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #123

Not true. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #124

Google "oswald innocent" if you really are this naive. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #125

Well that's hardly evidence. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #127

Allow me to disabuse you of the notion that Kennedy was shot from the front: he wasn't. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #129

Again, I refer you to Best Evidence. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #131

I've read BEST EVIDENCE and met David Lifton. zappaman Mar 2013 #132

I don't think you understand my use of the term "legitimate researcher" OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #133

Are you a man of his word? zappaman Mar 2013 #134

I said "you." OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #135

LOL! zappaman Mar 2013 #141

I understand your use of the term "legitimate researcher" just fine. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #137

That post was not addressed to you. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #138

No, but you've used the term in posts directed to me. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #140

Facts like those posted in #128? OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #142

Yes, your list in #128 is made up of non-credible evidence and false and misleading assumptions. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #144

Thank you for your opinion. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #145

It's not opinion about the Dictabelt. Or where Kennedy was shot from. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #146

Sorry, but the books I have read beg to differ. nt. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #147

You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #153

Back at ya. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #156

I'm sorry for you. OrwellwasRight Apr 2013 #148

Interns and doctors trying desperately to save JFK's life vs. a lengthy, laborious autopsy Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #136

See post #131. nt. OrwellwasRight Mar 2013 #139

"legitimate researchers" zappaman Mar 2013 #130

Kicked for the anniversary cpwm17 Nov 2013 #245

No matter how many insist that the Warren Report was right, meanit Nov 2013 #246

Argument ad populum is a fallacy on either side of the issue. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #247

More evidence may still be out there meanit Nov 2013 #248

Perhaps for Oswald's associates. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #249