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In reply to the discussion: Bugliosi: 53 Reasons It Was Lee Harvey Oswald [View all]OrwellwasRight
(5,210 posts)133. I don't think you understand my use of the term "legitimate researcher"
And I don't think I have to debunk the notion that just because you can google something on the internet = proof the idea is supported by legitimate researchers, including researchers who have spent many years on the JFK Assassination Conspiracy Question.
If I don't have to debunk it, that means I assume we all agree that we don't subscribe to the theory. And what theory do we not subscribe to? The theory that just because you can google something, that is proof that the idea is supported by legitimate researchers.
My whole point was in response to the other poster's proposition that most who don't believe that Oswald was a lone gunman also don't believe Oswald had any relation to the shooting at all. That has not been my experience in the books I have read, films I have seen, or lectures I have attended. So that was the sole meaning of my use of the term. I meant nothing additional, and if you inferred otherwise, you were mistaken.
It follows then, that I never said whether I thought David Lifton was a legitimate researcher or not. However, I found his book well researched and reasoned. When you write a book as thorough and with as many footnotes, send it to me. I'll read it and give you my opinion. Until then I find your opinion that his theory is farfetched unconvincing, though I have no problem with you holding it. It is none of my concern.
As I have already said numerous times, I don't expect the lone gunman subscribers to change their minds, and I am not trying to make them do so. Nor do I expect to change my mind, particularly not with such convincing arguments as "I've met David Lifton and find his theories far fetched."
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(1) Oswald always visited Marina in Irving on a Friday. Nov 21 was the first Thursday visit ever.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#2
(2) Oswald's claim to be getting curtain rods in Irving was an implausible lie.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#4
(3) Oswald told Frazier he would NOT be coming back to Irving on Friday night.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#6
(4) That night Oswald avoided Kennedy talk with Marina, a subject it was their custom to discuss.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#7
(5) Friday morning, Oswald left almost all his cash and his wedding ring in Irving.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#9
(6) On Friday morning, Oswald placed a long paper-wrapped package in the back seat of Frazier's car.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#11
(7) Frazier noticed that for the first time on a return trip from Irving, Oswald brought no lunch.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#12
(8) On arrival at the TSBD, Oswald walked faster and ahead of Frazier for the first time ever.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#13
(9) For the first time ever, Oswald didn't read the paper in the TSBD domino room.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#14
(11) Howard Brennan saw Lee Harvey Oswald fire the third shot that killed the President.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#16
What you've said here doesn't negate the fact that Brennan saw Oswald take the third shot. n/t
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#63
Right, bbut you and I would both probably discount any such testimony in a live criminal case
alcibiades_mystery
Mar 2013
#77
(13) During interrogation, Oswald put himself on the sixth floor at the time of the assassination.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#18
(14) Oswald's story of getting a Coke after hearing commotion of assassination is not sensible.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#19
(15) It makes no sense that Oswald the "political animal" had no interest in the President's death.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#20
I figured you needed more than one person pumping his own thread, so I'll add this...
MrMickeysMom
Mar 2013
#21
Many of these are largely debunked by Enemy of the Truth, Myths, Forensics, and the Kennedy Assassin
OrwellwasRight
Apr 2013
#149
I am not here to be told that people do not know what they smell and where.
OrwellwasRight
Apr 2013
#151
The fact that you can't agree to disagree means you are in fact trying to make me feel inferior.
OrwellwasRight
Apr 2013
#157
I'm not here to engage in Monty Python Argument Clinic Style "discussions"
OrwellwasRight
Apr 2013
#158
" I'm not here to engage in Monty Python Argument Clinic Style "discussions""
zappaman
Apr 2013
#159
"your implicaiton that I am feebleminded" - something you're importing to the conversation.
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2013
#160
Do you understand that 'credible evidence' and 'non-credible evidence' are legal terms?
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2013
#165
Oh, Sherry Fiester was present at the autopsy and was able to examine the body? n/t
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2013
#167
Also, there's a slight problem with the location Feister IDs as the site of the kill shot.
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2013
#170
Fact: You claimed a statement was made about the south overpass position. It was about the north.
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2013
#190
"What is also a fact is that I have told you I don't want to continue this conversation. "
zappaman
Apr 2013
#194
My mind is quite open to the facts and reasonable interpretations of them.
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2013
#202
Why? Because if I do, that conflicts with the little box you want to file me away in?
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2013
#237
Vague foreknowledge? The roll calls were taken after the assassination. n/t
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#73
(17) Oswald walked past his normal bus stop and walked seven blocks to board a different line.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#28
Your attempt at parody/mind reading doesn't negate that this actually happened.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#62
(19) Oswald's not speaking to the cab driver about the assassination is striking.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#30
(20) Oswald had the cab drive past his residence, dropping him off down the road.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#31
(21) Oswald's behavior at his boarding house indicates a flight in progress.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#32
Oswald's clipboard was found later. He'd filled no orders. He'd done no TSBD work that day.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#74
(25) A store manager saw Oswald evading police sirens in front of his store.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#49
(27) When approached by police in the Texas Theater, Oswald said "Well, it is all over now."
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#51
(29) After arrest, Oswald refused to even give his name to arresting officers.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#53
This thread is not about disproving a second shooter. It's about Oswald's involvement.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#122
(32) After visiting him on Saturday, Marina came away convinced of Oswald's guilt.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#56
Agreed. There also may be multiple explanations for his behavior, as well as for the other evidence.
eomer
Mar 2013
#91
(33) Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was found on the sixth floor of the TSBD.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#83
(34) The mostly intact bullet (CE 399) and two of the fragments were fired from this rifle.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#84
(35) The three expended shells on the sixth floor were "fired in and ejected from" Oswald's rifle.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#85
(36) A handmade paper bag large enough to carry Oswald's rifle was found in the sniper's nest.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#86
(38) Oswald was the sole owner of the revolver found in his possession on arrest.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#88
(39) The bullets recovered from Tippit's body were consistent with being fired from Oswald's .38.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#89
(40) The four cartridge shells found at the Tippit murder scene were fired from Oswald's revolver.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#90
I've only been to Dallas a couple of times but do bullets just fly around all the time?
ryan_cats
Apr 2013
#161
(41) A paraffin test on Oswald's hands showed he'd fired a revolver just before his arrest.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#103
Does the paraffin test showing Oswald never field a rifle that day speak for itself as well?
bogmanla
Feb 2014
#250
(45) Oswald lied about owning a rifle, and about owning the Mannlicher-Carcano specifically.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#107
(46) Oswald lied about being in the backyard photo where he was holding his rifle.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#108
If someone said something about a "mysterious line across Oswald's chin," it was somebody
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#206
Maybe you should believe the experts using technology not available 50 years ago.
zappaman
Apr 2013
#208
Who says that I don't believe the "experts." Are you trying to engage in a poor ad hominem attack?
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#209
So I do what? Believe "experts" instead of my lying eyes? Is that what you do?
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#211
I'm not trying to convince you of anything or even to think for yourself.
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#215
Others can see the link. Sorry to hear about your comprehension problem.
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#228
You "would expect a real photo-analyst to know" that whether or not the chin looks cleft depends on
AnotherMcIntosh
Apr 2013
#238
(48) Oswald lied about living at the place where the picture with the rifle was taken.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#110
(50) Oswald lied about putting a long package into Frazier's car that morning.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#112
(51) Oswald told police the only thing he'd brought to work that morning was his lunch.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#113
(52) Oswald lied about having lunch on the first floor with two other employees.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#114
Allow me to disabuse you of the notion that Kennedy was shot from the front: he wasn't.
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#129
I don't think you understand my use of the term "legitimate researcher"
OrwellwasRight
Mar 2013
#133
Yes, your list in #128 is made up of non-credible evidence and false and misleading assumptions.
Bolo Boffin
Apr 2013
#144
Interns and doctors trying desperately to save JFK's life vs. a lengthy, laborious autopsy
Bolo Boffin
Mar 2013
#136