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In reply to the discussion: 9/11 Free Fall 7/18/13: Dr. deHaven-Smith and "conspiracy theory" [View all]William Seger
(11,047 posts)87. You're overlooking something simple
It's no surprise that you aren't actually interested enough to even read Bazant's responses to Gourley:
2. Are the Internal Forces in Upper and Lower Parts of Tower Equal?
Contrary to the discussers claim which is based on his understanding of Newtons third law, these forces are not equal, as made clear by Fig. 2 (g and h) of the original paper. Their difference is equal to the weight of the intermediate compacted layer B plus the inertia force attributable to the acceleration of layer B (for additional accuracy, one may also add the energy per unit height needed for the comminution of concrete and the expelling of air, which are secondary phenomena not taken into consideration in the original paper). When the compacted layer attains a sufficient mass, which occurs after the collapse of only a few stories, this difference becomes very large.
Contrary to the discussers claim which is based on his understanding of Newtons third law, these forces are not equal, as made clear by Fig. 2 (g and h) of the original paper. Their difference is equal to the weight of the intermediate compacted layer B plus the inertia force attributable to the acceleration of layer B (for additional accuracy, one may also add the energy per unit height needed for the comminution of concrete and the expelling of air, which are secondary phenomena not taken into consideration in the original paper). When the compacted layer attains a sufficient mass, which occurs after the collapse of only a few stories, this difference becomes very large.
(Bolding added so you can't miss it. Don't bother responding if you're not going to address that.)
You're pretending to have X-ray vision to see what's happening inside the cloud of smoke and dust, which is amusing, but "crush down/crush up" can actually be seen in Verinage demolitions:
So Bazant's theory about that is certainly not "ludicrous" (and being called that by someone who thinks the core floors would prevent column buckling is truly ludicrous), but all of the hoopla over "crush down/crush up" is nothing but irrelevant noise, anyway. It's a desperate but futile attempt by "truthers" to avoid the significant point of Bazant's analysis: There was much more energy unleashed than the structure could absorb, so once the collapse started the building was doomed. Richard Gage wouldn't need any huge budget to disprove that if it weren't true, but the reason his "2,090 architects and engineers" haven't done so is not a lack of money but a lack of scientific facts.
How you can put on such a pretense of being an objective seeker of truth but then think your ignorant opinions are more valid than expert analysis is beyond me.
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9/11 Free Fall 7/18/13: Dr. deHaven-Smith and "conspiracy theory" [View all]
damnedifIknow
Jul 2013
OP
You claimed that the "conspiracy theorist" label was not applied to legitimate skeptics
Ace Acme
Oct 2013
#6
Non sequitur, false dichotomy, straw man nonsense was your attempt at an argument nt
Ace Acme
Oct 2013
#12
The history of those alleged hijackers' training includes registered addresses
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#31
So, the best you can do is fart in the general direction of some of the confessions
William Seger
Nov 2013
#34
It was possible to access most of the main structural columns from the elevator shafts
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#61
Most of the main structural core columns were accessible from the elevator shafts
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#64
NIST lied. The collapses were not explained. The 10 mysteries were not addressed.
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#82
The point is irrelevant. Bazant's model does not resemble reality. NIST does not name him.
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#98
I understand what he says just fine. What he says bears no resemblance to reality. nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#102
So your best is to change the subject and try to ignore the fact that your expert
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#36
"Confessions" to interested parties that are known to lie to achieve their objectives
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#43