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In reply to the discussion: Solving the Mystery of Building 7 [View all]hack89
(39,180 posts)31. I accept the eyewitness accounts of massive structural damage and multiple large fires
Deputy Chief Peter Hayden:
but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 oclock in the afternoon, but by about 2 oclock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayd ...
Deputy Chief Nick Visconti:
I dont know how long this was going on, but I remember standing there looking over at building 7 and realizing that a big chunk of the lower floors had been taken out on the Vesey Street side.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/visc ...
Battalion Chief John Norman:
From there, we looked out at 7 World Trade Center again. .... but at the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged.
We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see whats going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didnt look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didnt look good.
We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see whats going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didnt look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didnt look good.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/norm ...
Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, well head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyl
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-81.pdf
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One Battalion Chief coming from the building indicated that they had searched floors 1 through 9 and found that the building was clear.390 In the process of the search, the Battalion Chief met the buildings Fire Safety Director and Deputy Fire Safety Director on the ninth floor. The Fire Safety Director reported
that the buildings floors had been cleared from the top down. By this time, the Chief Officer responsible for WTC 7 reassessed the building again and determined that fires were burning on the following floors:
6, 7, 8, 17, 21, and 30.391 No accurate time is available for these actions during the WTC 7 operations; however, the sequence of event indicates that it occurred during a time period from 12:30 p.m. to
approximately 2:00 p.m.
The Chief Officer then met with his command officer to discuss the buildings condition and FDNYs capabilities for controlling the building fires. A Deputy Chief who had just returned from inside the
building reported that he had conducted an inspection up to the 7th or 8th floor.392 He indicated that the stairway was filling with smoke and that there was a lot of fire inside the building. The chiefs discussed the situation and the following conditions were identified:
The building had sustained damage from debris falling into the building, and they were not sure about the structural stability of the building.
The building had large fires burning on at least six floors. Any one of these six fires would have been considered a large incident during normal FDNY operations.
There was no water immediately available for fighting the fires.
They didnt have equipment, hose, standpipe kits, tools, and enough handie talkies for conducting operations inside the building.
At approximately, 2:30 p.m., FDNY officers decided to completely abandon WTC 7, and the final order was given to evacuate the site around the building. 395, 396 The order terminated the ongoing rescue
operations at WTC 6 and on the rubble pile of WTC 1. Firefighters and other emergency responders were withdrawn from the WTC 7 area, and the building continued to burn. At approximately 5:20 p.m., some three hours after WTC 7 was abandoned the building experienced a catastrophic failure and collapsed.
that the buildings floors had been cleared from the top down. By this time, the Chief Officer responsible for WTC 7 reassessed the building again and determined that fires were burning on the following floors:
6, 7, 8, 17, 21, and 30.391 No accurate time is available for these actions during the WTC 7 operations; however, the sequence of event indicates that it occurred during a time period from 12:30 p.m. to
approximately 2:00 p.m.
The Chief Officer then met with his command officer to discuss the buildings condition and FDNYs capabilities for controlling the building fires. A Deputy Chief who had just returned from inside the
building reported that he had conducted an inspection up to the 7th or 8th floor.392 He indicated that the stairway was filling with smoke and that there was a lot of fire inside the building. The chiefs discussed the situation and the following conditions were identified:
The building had sustained damage from debris falling into the building, and they were not sure about the structural stability of the building.
The building had large fires burning on at least six floors. Any one of these six fires would have been considered a large incident during normal FDNY operations.
There was no water immediately available for fighting the fires.
They didnt have equipment, hose, standpipe kits, tools, and enough handie talkies for conducting operations inside the building.
At approximately, 2:30 p.m., FDNY officers decided to completely abandon WTC 7, and the final order was given to evacuate the site around the building. 395, 396 The order terminated the ongoing rescue
operations at WTC 6 and on the rubble pile of WTC 1. Firefighters and other emergency responders were withdrawn from the WTC 7 area, and the building continued to burn. At approximately 5:20 p.m., some three hours after WTC 7 was abandoned the building experienced a catastrophic failure and collapsed.
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The shear studs were designed to take the lateral loads, so the girder seat didn't need to be.
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#37
Yes, Chandler is a major source of "freefall = controlled demolition" idiocy
William Seger
Dec 2011
#29
Nobody says the perps blew out 8 floors while the building was already falling.
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#35
Anyone who LISTENS to the videos and concludes that it's a controlled demolition
William Seger
Dec 2011
#10
I accept the eyewitness accounts of massive structural damage and multiple large fires
hack89
Dec 2011
#31
Dr. Griffin has pointed out that the FDNY accounts are mutually exclusive and all over the map.
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#48
Dr. Griffin's alleged lunacy can not make contradictory statements consistent.
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#50
I am going to believe my informed eyes, and understand that what looks like smoke
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#43
I watched the video years ago, and I watched it now, and everything I said was correct.
Ace Acme
Dec 2013
#52