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hack89

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31. I accept the eyewitness accounts of massive structural damage and multiple large fires
Sat Dec 17, 2011, 11:27 AM
Dec 2011

Deputy Chief Peter Hayden:

but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.


http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayd ...
Deputy Chief Nick Visconti:
I don’t know how long this was going on, but I remember standing there looking over at building 7 and realizing that a big chunk of the lower floors had been taken out on the Vesey Street side.



http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/visc ...

Battalion Chief John Norman:

From there, we looked out at 7 World Trade Center again. .... but at the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged.
We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what’s going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.


http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/norm ...

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.


http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyl

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-81.pdf
page 165

One Battalion Chief coming from the building indicated that they had searched floors 1 through 9 and found that the building was clear.390 In the process of the search, the Battalion Chief met the building’s Fire Safety Director and Deputy Fire Safety Director on the ninth floor. The Fire Safety Director reported
that the building’s floors had been cleared from the top down. By this time, the Chief Officer responsible for WTC 7 reassessed the building again and determined that fires were burning on the following floors:
6, 7, 8, 17, 21, and 30.391 No accurate time is available for these actions during the WTC 7 operations; however, the sequence of event indicates that it occurred during a time period from 12:30 p.m. to
approximately 2:00 p.m.
The Chief Officer then met with his command officer to discuss the building’s condition and FDNY’s capabilities for controlling the building fires. A Deputy Chief who had just returned from inside the
building reported that he had conducted an inspection up to the 7th or 8th floor.392 He indicated that the stairway was filling with smoke and that there was a lot of fire inside the building. The chiefs discussed the situation and the following conditions were identified:
• The building had sustained damage from debris falling into the building, and they were not sure about the structural stability of the building.
• The building had large fires burning on at least six floors. Any one of these six fires would have been considered a large incident during normal FDNY operations.
• There was no water immediately available for fighting the fires.
• They didn’t have equipment, hose, standpipe kits, tools, and enough handie talkies for conducting operations inside the building.
At approximately, 2:30 p.m., FDNY officers decided to completely abandon WTC 7, and the final order was given to evacuate the site around the building. 395, 396 The order terminated the ongoing rescue
operations at WTC 6 and on the rubble pile of WTC 1. Firefighters and other emergency responders were withdrawn from the WTC 7 area, and the building continued to burn. At approximately 5:20 p.m., some three hours after WTC 7 was abandoned the building experienced a catastrophic failure and collapsed.


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Solving the Mystery of Building 7 [View all] Richard Charnin Dec 2011 OP
Thanks for posting n/t Pachamama Dec 2011 #1
Very powerful video. Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #2
exactly libodem Dec 2011 #21
I hope some day soon Politicalboi Dec 2011 #3
Actually all 3 fell with resistance. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #4
True but... Richard Charnin Dec 2011 #5
"can only happen in a controlled demolition" Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #6
The top part (penthouse?) seemed to sink first Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2011 #15
The collaspe was already happening inside the building. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #16
These buildings weren't awfully well built? Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2011 #18
Well, they were for normal circumstances. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #19
WTC7 wasn't designed to withstand thermal stress William Seger Dec 2011 #20
The shear studs were designed to take the lateral loads, so the girder seat didn't need to be. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #37
How do 7 floors fail in freefall? NIST did NOT explain it. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #34
Not true William Seger Dec 2011 #7
Two videos by David Chandler which expose the NIST "analysis of WTC 7 Richard Charnin Dec 2011 #26
Yes, Chandler is a major source of "freefall = controlled demolition" idiocy William Seger Dec 2011 #29
Nobody says the perps blew out 8 floors while the building was already falling. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #35
Gage's solution to the mystery: Magical silent explosives William Seger Dec 2011 #8
Anyone that watches this video and concludes that it is anything teddy51 Dec 2011 #9
Anyone who LISTENS to the videos and concludes that it's a controlled demolition William Seger Dec 2011 #10
They weren't silent, a large number of witnesses said they heard teddy51 Dec 2011 #11
Baloney William Seger Dec 2011 #13
That is just not true zeemike Dec 2011 #23
You're making things up. zappaman Dec 2011 #24
Many sounds of explosions Richard Charnin Dec 2011 #27
No firemen described "a series of small bangs" emanating from WTC 7. n/t zappaman Dec 2011 #28
Everything I said is true William Seger Dec 2011 #25
What piqued my interest was what was housed in Building 7. canoeist52 Dec 2011 #12
All very good reasons NOT to blow up that building. n/t Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #14
Apparently they were destroying all the evidence Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #17
Why do you need tons of explosives? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #38
I'd heard there was a bunch of libodem Dec 2011 #22
and gold Remember Me Dec 2011 #30
Last night, I listened to 2 UTube interviews.... gblady Dec 2011 #32
You forgot the CIA and the DoD on the 25th floor. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #36
I accept the eyewitness accounts of massive structural damage and multiple large fires hack89 Dec 2011 #31
You are more accepting than is FEMA or NIST Ace Acme Dec 2013 #39
Care to substantiate that statement. hack89 Dec 2013 #42
I'm saying FEMA did not quote any of those statements, nor did NIST. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #44
But such damage fits into NIST's explanation hack89 Dec 2013 #46
Dr. Griffin has pointed out that the FDNY accounts are mutually exclusive and all over the map. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #48
Dr Griffin is a CT loon hack89 Dec 2013 #49
Dr. Griffin's alleged lunacy can not make contradictory statements consistent. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #50
No, it couldn't have been the massive, uncontrolled fires that took WTC7 down cpwm17 Dec 2011 #33
There were no massive fires. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #40
Who are you going to believe? cpwm17 Dec 2013 #41
I am going to believe my informed eyes, and understand that what looks like smoke Ace Acme Dec 2013 #43
Apparently you didn't watch the video cpwm17 Dec 2013 #45
I watched the video years ago. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #47
Obviously you didn't watch this video cpwm17 Dec 2013 #51
I watched the video years ago, and I watched it now, and everything I said was correct. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #52
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