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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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163. Emphasis mine:
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jul 2016
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."


However, and IMNSHO, the RKBA is a human right, everywhere. Government permission is not required. It is as natural and innate as a right to life. Whatever tools one chooses as a means of self-defense are covered in that right. Anyone or any group or government that chooses to pretend otherwise is free to be wrong. Rights don't disappear because a person, group or government fails to respect them.

Just a pet peeve.
Exactly Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #1
In other words, a handy-dandy modular mass slaughter machine. leveymg Jun 2016 #2
You obviously... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #5
I actually did. The primary argument in favor is that it's a convenient, easy to use killing machine leveymg Jun 2016 #8
I have four and have never killed a living thing. hack89 Jun 2016 #6
I have some old NRA patches from Boy Scout camp, myself. leveymg Jun 2016 #11
I'm sure... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #13
No one in Congress is dumb enough to actually confiscate guns hack89 Jun 2016 #14
So you must only use it for target shooting. In that case you could leave it locked at a range and The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #32
Because we know that guns ranges are so secure hack89 Jun 2016 #54
So all gun stores are safe. Gees, bad argument. At least their would be certified responsibility. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #105
And anyone shot would be... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #106
Where does it stop. When does the safety of the child on the street count on everyone having an AK? The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #108
The firearms that I own... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #109
Just a few points here discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #119
They pay a lot for security and insurance hack89 Jun 2016 #107
At least as safe as military armories. Heh. But you knew that. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #111
If you have to go back to the 1920's, it seems quite safe. Where can we begin? Things have to The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #115
Do I want to be shot? No. And I don't fear that. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #118
I was talking about the plural "you". The threat is not with you but those who are the prey of too The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #123
Pehaps you can point to someone actually saying; "there should be a gun in every hand"? DonP Jun 2016 #124
Is it enforced? I thought it was archaic and ignored as senseless. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #125
The NRA... Human101948 Jun 2016 #126
Oh, you mean those "stupid" armed guards in every Chicago high school ... DonP Jun 2016 #128
Well, to be fair... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #130
Yeah, that "big win" will be in court in a New York Minute DonP Jun 2016 #131
Your biggest problem at ATL is... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #136
There are good limits in place. I support UBCs to extend the current prohibitions Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #137
Your hobby has killed many people lewebley3 Jul 2016 #152
You talking about my bourbon collection? nt hack89 Jul 2016 #156
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Not too many blunt objects have been used for mass murders. leveymg Jun 2016 #24
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You said, "About a rifle that is used in fewer killings than blunt objects, by the way -- such good leveymg Jun 2016 #30
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #34
doesn't imply anything gejohnston Jun 2016 #35
Logical and persuasive are more than simply reasonable. leveymg Jun 2016 #56
except that you are assuming, gejohnston Jun 2016 #59
Except, that I am correct. leveymg Jun 2016 #82
your logical fallacy is gejohnston Jun 2016 #86
According to you, I am a liar. That's not an argument, it's attack. leveymg Jun 2016 #101
no, and you don't know what the word liar means gejohnston Jun 2016 #102
Gosh, leveymg, you seem to have a hair-trigger. "Attack?" Hardly. OKC. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #112
Better keep this person away from a gun! ;-) NT pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #139
That argument is so compelling... Jerry442 Jun 2016 #52
As is fertilizer and diesel fuel. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #110
Just like nearly every other gun in the country. krispos42 Jun 2016 #129
People are are dying to for this guys hobby: he should be ashamed of himself lewebley3 Jul 2016 #151
Au contraire, those who call a civil right a hobby should be ashamed of themselves... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #154
The country has a right to regulate guns: that's the countries civil rights according lewebley3 Jul 2016 #158
firearms ownership.. Puha Ekapi Jul 2016 #159
Even if we could cut the number of guns in the nation in HALF........ pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #161
Countries do not have rights, they have powers. People have rights... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #162
Emphasis mine: discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #163
Obviously the framers were talking about 'the people' then... beevul Jul 2016 #164
The people are the goverment: they are not seperate from the goverment lewebley3 Jul 2016 #166
"...of the people, by the people, for the people..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #167
That's one of the stupidest things I've read in this thread... NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #173
I see your point BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #3
Great use of modern marketing jargon The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #4
Do you know what has killed many more? hack89 Jun 2016 #7
Give it some more time. leveymg Jun 2016 #9
So what ? The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #17
Is it safe to assume you regard all guns as "nasty"? nt hack89 Jun 2016 #19
Look I'm not going to waste any more time with you The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #37
I fine with that. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #55
That comment shows how little you know... virginia mountainman Jun 2016 #18
More people killed by rocks ... rickford66 Jun 2016 #77
Uh, how many people would have died in Orlando if the shooter used one of those? nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #103
Getting heavy are they? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #104
Actually, the government keeps count: Fewer than 300 deaths from ALL rifles... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #149
My ex killed feral hogs and javalinas with a regular old 30-06. Zen Democrat Jun 2016 #10
A regular old .30-06? Straw Man Jun 2016 #15
"On American streets" is anti-gun speak for "in private hands". beevul Jun 2016 #61
Your 30-06 was designed to kill humans oneshooter Jun 2016 #16
Like the British Lee Enfield virginia mountainman Jun 2016 #20
But but... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #26
ROFLMAO!!! virginia mountainman Jun 2016 #23
You STOP THAT! RME_SFC Jun 2016 #140
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Isn't a .30-06 for hogs over kill? gejohnston Jun 2016 #31
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Are you under the impression that the .30-06 is not a "people killer" designed for military use? Just reading posts Jun 2016 #39
They are designed to send a projectile down the barrel with great speed and accuracy. Waldorf Jun 2016 #71
In case you haven't figured it out, the rifle in #15 is semi-auto, like the ARs. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #113
Excellent article, and worth a cross post in GD. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #12
And we will continue to own them.. virginia mountainman Jun 2016 #22
How many US citizens have a daily or even occasional need guillaumeb Jun 2016 #28
This is nothing but gun porn to feed the fantasies of anxious white males gejohnston Jun 2016 #33
Indeed so, very sad Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #40
So I am thus a self-hating white male? guillaumeb Jun 2016 #47
What about... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #44
Please delete the words "white males" guillaumeb Jun 2016 #48
Perhaps not so fast chknltl Jun 2016 #80
Carl T Bogus, gejohnston Jun 2016 #87
The former slave states enacted all manner of Jim Crow laws to disarm blacks, post Civil War... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #114
And to add to that: guillaumeb Jun 2016 #120
Michael Bellisiles won the Bancroft Prize for history. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #150
This message was self-deleted by its author DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #29
Wow that took a while Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #41
You're welcome. DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #42
EDP. Sounds like a rap group. Maybe punk rock. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #132
Thank you shireen Jun 2016 #36
Urban Combat give me a f---g break. You mean when those people invade your suburbs doc03 Jun 2016 #43
The select fire Military version was designed for urban combat and CQB use. DonP Jun 2016 #45
And when the term "urban combat" is used, guillaumeb Jun 2016 #49
No, no color can be assumed. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #64
Where the hell or why would a civilian engage in urban combat? We know doc03 Jun 2016 #69
There is always the zombie hord. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #70
For a home invasion an AR-15 would be about my last choice of weapon. You are going to be at very doc03 Jun 2016 #72
Ummmmm....no Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #81
I hope you don't kill one of your family in the next room or your next door neighbor. doc03 Jun 2016 #91
Shotgun vs Semiauto carbine for home defense aside, do not use birdshot for defensive purposes. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #94
To say "it only inflicts a shallow surface wound" is incredibly ignorant. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #153
Did you not notice that I was speaking of birdshot? Just reading posts Jul 2016 #155
I see it differently. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #160
I agree with you on almost everything else tortoise1956 Jun 2016 #99
An AR 15.. Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #122
So, you van always called your local Law Enforcement. oneshooter Jun 2016 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #134
Good point tortoise1956 Jun 2016 #135
Lots of misconceptions there. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #90
Agreed. A semiauto carbine such as an AR-15 is an excellent firearm for home defense. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #133
This is the same nra bull we always hear MFM008 Jun 2016 #46
AR-15... elephant/rhino... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #51
Lol, yes talk about uninformed Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #67
Well.... RME_SFC Jun 2016 #141
One thing tortoise1956 Jun 2016 #143
Ah yes... RME_SFC Jun 2016 #144
Ummmm... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #53
Q: What do call the sticky stuff on the elephant's feet? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #60
Good one Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #68
W. D. m. Bell killed a large number of elephants with the 7 mm Mauser round. Hangingon Jun 2016 #62
...which is considerably... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #63
He was a fantastic shot. oneshooter Jun 2016 #75
He also used... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #84
I once knew had a 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser. Hangingon Jun 2016 #93
I have a couple of them. One is a semiautomatic rifle, the AG-42 Ljungman. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #96
He used a .276 Rigby which is the English version of the 6.5 S. oneshooter Jun 2016 #100
The AR-15....21st Century elephant rifle! Just reading posts Jun 2016 #57
I'm not one of these guys who think you should only speak if you're a gun expert... but really. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #58
Uh...What the...? beevul Jun 2016 #65
Its illegal to shoot a deer with an AR-15 here Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #76
Presuming it's chambered for 5.56mm, yes. It would be perfectly legal and appropriate were it Just reading posts Jun 2016 #78
AR's are perfectly legal to hunt with... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #83
Oh, why didn't you say so earlier matt819 Jun 2016 #50
Full of what? Straw Man Jun 2016 #66
Interesting matt819 Jun 2016 #74
Yes. Straw Man Jun 2016 #97
Did you not insinuate that feral hogs RME_SFC Jun 2016 #142
good article beergood Jun 2016 #73
They are fun to shoot. Any other reason is Buzz cook Jun 2016 #79
AR's are down to 550. Used CVA break actions run 190 bucks. ileus Jun 2016 #88
great for mopping up the fear-piss when you see a black kid on a bike go by! MisterP Jun 2016 #85
They make awful mops....not absorbent at all. ileus Jun 2016 #89
Really hoping you just forgot the sarcasm tag. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #92
"MisterP"? Okay. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #117
you do know beergood Jun 2016 #145
You don't say... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #146
Taibo beergood Jun 2016 #147
Yeah. Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #148
did you ever watch Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls? beergood Jul 2016 #157
I bought one years ago, didn't use it tortoise1956 Jun 2016 #98
Sounds like a win all around discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #121
Solid article. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #138
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #165
Cowardly? bolus Jul 2016 #168
You have an odd definition of cowardice. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #169
IMHO one sign of a coward might be... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #170
Yup. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #171
Another example of cowardice........ pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #172
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