Gun Control & RKBA

TeddyR

(2,493 posts) Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:20 PM Jul 2016

FiveThirtyEight has a piece titled "Gun Deaths in America" [View all]

That contains various graphs showing number of gun deaths that are suicides, homicides, etc. There isn't any new info here but I thought the takeaway from the last graph was key, and a point often made here: "The common element in all these deaths is a gun. But the causes are very different, and that means the solutions must be, too." As many have argued in this forum, it is disingenuous to put all gun deaths into a single bucket when promoting gun control. Link to story - http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/

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FiveThirtyEight has a piece titled "Gun Deaths in America" [View all] TeddyR Jul 2016 OP

Any solution that does not include limitations and restrictions of access to the common element morningfog Jul 2016 #1

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #2

+2 SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #4

Have you noticed the cracks in the bulwark of gun-ban MSM? Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #41

There are already restrictions and limitations Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #3

Obviously, more restrictions and limitations. As many more as it takes. morningfog Jul 2016 #5

It takes for what exactly? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #6

To get to zero... ileus Jul 2016 #38

Of course Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #40

So when background checks TeddyR Jul 2016 #7

How many, 26, 39, 49, 102, five more?; is there no magic number? sanatanadharma Jul 2016 #8

You seem bent on mass conversion of the masses by first insulting them. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #42

Consider this analogy sarisataka Jul 2016 #9

I reject your premise out of hand. Vaccines work. morningfog Jul 2016 #10

A vaccine treats a disease sarisataka Jul 2016 #11

The disease is America's gun death cult. morningfog Jul 2016 #13

That would be the symptom sarisataka Jul 2016 #16

Wrong again. morningfog Jul 2016 #17

and if you do that sarisataka Jul 2016 #19

SHow me. Regardless, if you do that, there are far fewer dead people. morningfog Jul 2016 #20

So you want me to show you but sarisataka Jul 2016 #21

And now include gun violence. morningfog Jul 2016 #22

Here you go sarisataka Jul 2016 #23

The violent death rate discrepency without guns pales in comparison when morningfog Jul 2016 #24

But I proved my point sarisataka Jul 2016 #25

Only marginally so. But you proved the larger point: gun accessibility is the real problem. morningfog Jul 2016 #26

That would be true if sarisataka Jul 2016 #27

I question the prospects for progress... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #33

I wouldn't say 50% to 100% higher homicide rate is marginally higher. Statistical Jul 2016 #30

Oh! The wrongness! I live where Heroin, Cocaine, and meth are available and cheap... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #43

What an idiotic analogy. morningfog Jul 2016 #44

The Hutu in Rwanda didn't need no stinking guns. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #45

And another! morningfog Jul 2016 #47

You have been repeatedly check-mated in this argument. Did you know... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #49

Like pigeons playing chess, you gunners. morningfog Jul 2016 #50

Their suicide problem is acceptable, then? Since they don't use guns? Hey, Zeus Christy. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #52

You seem to read words unwritten. morningfog Jul 2016 #53

"Only fetshists and NRA deny it." pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #56

Nonsense. Utter nonsense. beevul Jul 2016 #46

It is true, your logical fallacy notwithstanding. morningfog Jul 2016 #48

There was no logical fallacy. N/T beevul Jul 2016 #51

What is the logical fallacy? Marengo Jul 2016 #58

"Guns aren't the symptom, they are the problem." pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #55

It stands to reason that a nation that is always at war, guillaumeb Jul 2016 #32

I would be willing to conceed sarisataka Jul 2016 #34

Are the endless wars a symptom of a capitalist system? guillaumeb Jul 2016 #35

I think both sarisataka Jul 2016 #36

I've always believed that hatred of war morphs into hatred of guns. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #57

But by are far far less degree. morningfog Jul 2016 #29

Remove all homicides by firearm and the US still has a homicide rate higher than most European ... Statistical Jul 2016 #28

Vaccines treat the disease Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #12

Bye. morningfog Jul 2016 #14

An absolute prohibition on the manufacture, sale, transportation, possession and sale Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #39

I wonder, of the 66% suicide component.. JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #15

I wonder of the 66% who shot themselves to death, how many would have been effective in morningfog Jul 2016 #18

Or without those other items Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #31

Actually 2 of 6 I know used guns. JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #37

As long as our side continues to brazenly lie........ pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #54