Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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33. I question the prospects for progress...

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:19 PM

Jul 2016

...in a debate about gun violence with someone whose premise is that the guns cause the violence.

Some folks has a preconceived solution. Their effort goes mostly to argue that the problem(s) fit their preconceptions.

Fact finders find facts in order to form opinions. Fault finders find faults to support their prejudices.

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FiveThirtyEight has a piece titled "Gun Deaths in America" [View all] TeddyR Jul 2016 OP

Any solution that does not include limitations and restrictions of access to the common element morningfog Jul 2016 #1

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #2

+2 SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #4

Have you noticed the cracks in the bulwark of gun-ban MSM? Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #41

There are already restrictions and limitations Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #3

Obviously, more restrictions and limitations. As many more as it takes. morningfog Jul 2016 #5

It takes for what exactly? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #6

To get to zero... ileus Jul 2016 #38

Of course Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #40

So when background checks TeddyR Jul 2016 #7

How many, 26, 39, 49, 102, five more?; is there no magic number? sanatanadharma Jul 2016 #8

You seem bent on mass conversion of the masses by first insulting them. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #42

Consider this analogy sarisataka Jul 2016 #9

I reject your premise out of hand. Vaccines work. morningfog Jul 2016 #10

A vaccine treats a disease sarisataka Jul 2016 #11

The disease is America's gun death cult. morningfog Jul 2016 #13

That would be the symptom sarisataka Jul 2016 #16

Wrong again. morningfog Jul 2016 #17

and if you do that sarisataka Jul 2016 #19

SHow me. Regardless, if you do that, there are far fewer dead people. morningfog Jul 2016 #20

So you want me to show you but sarisataka Jul 2016 #21

And now include gun violence. morningfog Jul 2016 #22

Here you go sarisataka Jul 2016 #23

The violent death rate discrepency without guns pales in comparison when morningfog Jul 2016 #24

But I proved my point sarisataka Jul 2016 #25

Only marginally so. But you proved the larger point: gun accessibility is the real problem. morningfog Jul 2016 #26

That would be true if sarisataka Jul 2016 #27

I question the prospects for progress... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #33

I wouldn't say 50% to 100% higher homicide rate is marginally higher. Statistical Jul 2016 #30

Oh! The wrongness! I live where Heroin, Cocaine, and meth are available and cheap... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #43

What an idiotic analogy. morningfog Jul 2016 #44

The Hutu in Rwanda didn't need no stinking guns. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #45

And another! morningfog Jul 2016 #47

You have been repeatedly check-mated in this argument. Did you know... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #49

Like pigeons playing chess, you gunners. morningfog Jul 2016 #50

Their suicide problem is acceptable, then? Since they don't use guns? Hey, Zeus Christy. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #52

You seem to read words unwritten. morningfog Jul 2016 #53

"Only fetshists and NRA deny it." pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #56

Nonsense. Utter nonsense. beevul Jul 2016 #46

It is true, your logical fallacy notwithstanding. morningfog Jul 2016 #48

There was no logical fallacy. N/T beevul Jul 2016 #51

What is the logical fallacy? Marengo Jul 2016 #58

"Guns aren't the symptom, they are the problem." pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #55

It stands to reason that a nation that is always at war, guillaumeb Jul 2016 #32

I would be willing to conceed sarisataka Jul 2016 #34

Are the endless wars a symptom of a capitalist system? guillaumeb Jul 2016 #35

I think both sarisataka Jul 2016 #36

I've always believed that hatred of war morphs into hatred of guns. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #57

But by are far far less degree. morningfog Jul 2016 #29

Remove all homicides by firearm and the US still has a homicide rate higher than most European ... Statistical Jul 2016 #28

Vaccines treat the disease Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #12

Bye. morningfog Jul 2016 #14

An absolute prohibition on the manufacture, sale, transportation, possession and sale Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #39

I wonder, of the 66% suicide component.. JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #15

I wonder of the 66% who shot themselves to death, how many would have been effective in morningfog Jul 2016 #18

Or without those other items Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #31

Actually 2 of 6 I know used guns. JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #37

As long as our side continues to brazenly lie........ pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #54