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Yup, it's officially a moral panic: [View all] friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 OP
Not really surprised at the crying Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #1
Should have provided a trigger-warning to the class. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #2
Nice! Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #10
A site to explore: guillaumeb Aug 2016 #3
How many were on a campus? Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #4
"I bet the percentage is actually quite miniscule." It is - see post #5 friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #6
I know, that poster Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #7
Check out the site. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #8
And once again, 2/3 are suicides Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #9
How many murders are committed by someone who then commits suicide? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #11
I expect much less than single suicide. Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #16
And no good is done by attemting to discuss murder in context of small sub-groups guillaumeb Aug 2016 #19
2/3 of the deaths you cite are suicide, not homicide. nt Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #24
The 30,000 dead remain dead. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #43
This context-free burbling re. '30,000 dead' is a good example of why you're failing. pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #48
"30,000 dead" in this case is a 'thought-terminating cliche': friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #64
Yes. Yes it is. pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #65
To be polite; "Overly Simplistic" applies DonP Aug 2016 #70
You are correct, of course, Don........ pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #77
We should catalog Thought-terminating cliches. One of the ones I notice most in GD is Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #68
We need a new thread for that but: discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #69
Since I have to comb through GD for gun posts, it shouldn't be a surprise. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #71
"The nutters will be along any minute now to explain this away." pablo_marmol Aug 2016 #78
Except suicide is not murder Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #42
The 30,000 dead remain dead. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #44
2/3 by their own choice Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #46
Not only that but they remain deader than those who... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #49
i agree beergood Aug 2016 #54
That would be a larger topic, but we were speaking of "death by gun". guillaumeb Aug 2016 #55
so your saying beergood Aug 2016 #56
I already answered your question. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #57
"And this IS a gun group. Perhaps you should post on this topic." beergood Sep 2016 #117
My shooting is confined to one gun at this point. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #119
"Do you hunt also?" beergood Sep 2016 #120
It sounds like one of these. oneshooter Sep 2016 #121
forgive my ignorance beergood Sep 2016 #122
Definitions oneshooter Sep 2016 #123
thanks beergood Sep 2016 #124
No problem. oneshooter Sep 2016 #125
whats it like beergood Sep 2016 #126
Since I am a traditional shooter I shoot mainly Flint. Locks with PRB. oneshooter Sep 2016 #128
I do not hunt any longer. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #127
Where do you see that? Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #14
The attempt by some gun enthusiasts to divide gun owners into guillaumeb Aug 2016 #21
Attempt by some banners to apply Orwell to the King's English. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #26
Ahh, gotcha. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #27
Just as all car owners are responsible for traffic deaths. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #20
None of the objects mentioned are designed specifically to kill. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #22
But they *do* kill on occasion. Are those killed by cars and drugs less dead than shooting victims? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #25
Using the standard in #19, no. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #28
Is killing absolutely bad? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #31
What if you were the target? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #51
You're evading. What if I was the target? Would using deadly force to stop that person be bad? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #52
You asked originally if killing was bad. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #53
"Unanswerable with no context." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #59
Self defense is a concept that I believe in. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #60
Fine words, indeed- but they do not answer the question asked. Here it is again: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #62
Particular cases do not have bearing on a right. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #66
That "right" is an inextricable part of the case. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #73
Oh nonsense. beevul Aug 2016 #75
The claim that Zimmerman exercised a right has no bearing to anyone outside of the case. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #76
Yes it was self defense gejohnston Aug 2016 #79
Is this the official NRA fairy story version of the murder of Trayvon Martin? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #80
It is the objective facts and evidence presented at trial gejohnston Aug 2016 #81
Objective facts has nothing to do with this. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #82
Objective facts have everything to do with it gejohnston Aug 2016 #83
He baited you and you took it. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2016 #84
go figure gejohnston Aug 2016 #85
So poor George Zimmerman is actually the victim in all this? guillaumeb Sep 2016 #86
The character of persons in particular cases have no bearing on rights in other cases friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #87
Zimmerman was looking for an excuse to use his gun. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #88
Wow! That's a pretty "creative" interpretation of the actual evidence and testimony DonP Sep 2016 #89
Creative writing, or the NRA rewriting history? guillaumeb Sep 2016 #92
So the NRA rewrote the court records? DonP Sep 2016 #94
Oh wise man, you forgot your link. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #95
No, what I forgot is that gun control fans are lazy as well as cheap DonP Sep 2016 #96
You made a specific allegation. You have refused to back it up. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #111
So, we'll add "not the sharpest pencil in the drawer" to lazy and cheap DonP Sep 2016 #112
More evasion and avoidance. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #113
If I'm attacked without provocation and fear grave bodily injury do I have a right to Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #114
Yes. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #115
You need to be provided evidence that courts keep records? N/T beevul Sep 2016 #116
Way, way too much like work, ... easier to rely on cartoons for your opinions DonP Sep 2016 #118
Thats your opinion. beevul Sep 2016 #90
For the sake of argument, let us concede that your estimate of him is correct. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #91
No, it does not. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #93
If someone, without provocation, threatened me with grave injury or death would I Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #97
Of course NOT!!! oneshooter Sep 2016 #99
I wish my other interlocutor would answer the question. He's made a point to answer so many other Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #100
I think you scare him. n/t oneshooter Sep 2016 #103
I can't imagine anyone less imposing than me. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #106
But.....but.....but............. pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #109
Nor are they specifically designed to defend oneself. Straw Man Aug 2016 #47
30,000 misrepresented statistics. JonathanRackham Aug 2016 #34
You are denying difference in circumstances, which prevents effective action to prevent those deaths krispos42 Sep 2016 #129
If poverty and social inequality are the primary causes of crime. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #130
Thank you krispos42 Sep 2016 #131
A fisking of that site that will give the doctrinaire a sad: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #5
30,000 gun deaths a year. Keep parsing and explaining. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #12
Your collective guilt-tripping and appeals to emotion seem not to be gaining traction friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #13
A certain number of people literally do not care about others. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #17
And those individual people are responsible, not an entire group friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #23
Yes. Some of them focus on what other people own. beevul Aug 2016 #33
30,000 gun dead are also the consequences of choices. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #35
Not my choices. N/T beevul Aug 2016 #36
I agree - at least 2/3 are in that example...suicide and all. Guess most are in fact, as others jmg257 Aug 2016 #41
I suppose the only way to show care is a gun ban? ileus Aug 2016 #45
"A certain number of people literally do not care about others." beergood Sep 2016 #98
Remarkable few of which were caused by by the group under discussion friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #15
What is the source of the electricity? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #18
A thoughtful reply to a question not asked- and I should have said CNG vehicles, not electric ones friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #29
If you had specified CNG, I would have responded: guillaumeb Aug 2016 #37
Isn't it a sad commentary virginia mountainman Aug 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author JonathanRackham Aug 2016 #30
532 people have been killed by police so far this year. JonathanRackham Aug 2016 #32
Are you suggesting disarming the police? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #38
Except the police aren't covered by the Second Amendment. JonathanRackham Aug 2016 #40
Interesting - 885 total permit-related gun deaths in 9 years... jmg257 Aug 2016 #58
Now estimated at 14 million permits, not counting constitutional carry states DonP Aug 2016 #61
Indeed so Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #63
While around 1200 criminals are responsible for over 400 deaths in Chicago alone every year. jmg257 Aug 2016 #67
There has been very little comment from the other TX colleges. Hangingon Aug 2016 #50
In UT lit classes, the study of Long Dong Silver is required. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #72
Our Flagship university! Hangingon Aug 2016 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author apcalc Sep 2016 #101
What ought to be done until concealed carry is revoked: no_hypocrisy Sep 2016 #102
In most states that is already the law. Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #104
Great idea, we can call that sort of action... SQUEE Sep 2016 #105
Along with about 40+ or so other states DonP Sep 2016 #107
And they see no_hypocrisy in arguing from a position of ignorance........ pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #108
No, they really take great pride in not knowing things DonP Sep 2016 #110
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