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jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
42. sorry sari, wrong era webster's
Thu Jan 19, 2017, 11:43 AM
Jan 2017

sari: The use of the word corollary, defined by Webster as:
Does not support your position that the individual right is derived, i.e. dependent on, the militia


You got the right dictionary, but the wrong year, the wrong era:
Read the definition of corollary from Webster's dictionary 1828:

COROLLARY 1. A conclusion or consequence drawn from premises, or from what is advanced or demonstrated. If it is demonstrated that a triangle which has equal sides, has also equal angles, it follows as a corollary that a triangle which has three equal sides, has its three angles equal.
A corollary is an inference from a preceding proposition.
2. A surplus.


IN'FERENCE, noun A truth or proposition drawn from another which is admitted or supposed to be true; a conclusion. Inferences result from reasoning, as when the mind perceives such a connection between ideas, as that, if certain propositions called premises are true, the conclusions or propositions deduced from them must also be true.
http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/inference

Note keywords in the definitions above of corollary & inference = DRAWN from, DEDUCED;

Derive: 1828: DERIVE 1. To draw from, as in a regular course or channel; 2. To draw or receive, as from a source or origin... 3. To deduce or draw, as from a root, or primitive word http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/derive

Sorry sari, you lose your argument.

Oxford dict: 1A proposition that follows from (and is often appended to) one already proved.
Example sentences 1.1 A direct or natural consequence or result.
‘the huge increases in unemployment were the corollary of expenditure cuts’


In the example above, it's quite synonymous to say: 'the huge increases in unemployment were derived from & due the expenditure cuts'.

As well, you cited the modern Webster's:

The use of the word corollary, defined by {modern 2000's} Webster in 3 ways:

VALID, corroborated by websters 1828: 1: a proposition (see 1proposition 1c) inferred immediately from a proved proposition with little or no additional proof
VALID with websters 1828: 2a : something that naturally follows : result < … love was a stormy passion and jealousy its normal corollary. — Ida Treat>
INVALID with websters 1828: b : something that incidentally or naturally accompanies or parallels <A corollary to the problem of the number of vessels to be built was that of the types of vessels to be constructed.

The last definition 'b' (2b) has no corroboration in Webster's 1828 dictionary. It comes from you citing the most recent Webster's dictionary, but readers can see by now the flaw in your reasoning, applying modern definitions to the 1800's.

Also, an example from the modern Webster's you cited again demonstrates synonymity with 'derived':
<increased taxes—or expanding deficits—are the inevitable corollary to any new government spending program>

Increased taxes are 'derived' from the new govt spending program - not exact, but quite similar.

Wrong discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #1
um.. mac56 Jan 2017 #6
At the time of ratification sarisataka Jan 2017 #9
As my learned associate sarisataka has explained... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #17
The Democratic party says the 2A supports an individual right to keep and bear arms. hack89 Jan 2017 #2
There is no basis to the popular myth needledriver Jan 2017 #3
You are right...the 2nd did NOT give the people the right to bear arms. jmg257 Jan 2017 #4
+1 Doug.Goodall Jan 2017 #13
errors in your reasoning jimmy the one Jan 2017 #29
Error in your reasoning: yagotme Jan 2017 #38
Never understood why sarisataka Jan 2017 #5
I believe the placement of the comma's yagotme Jan 2017 #7
+1 Doug.Goodall Jan 2017 #14
You overly complicated it in your "translation"... jmg257 Jan 2017 #8
Why does the word "arms" safeinOhio Jan 2017 #10
It doesn't refer only to firearms sarisataka Jan 2017 #11
taking rawle out of context jimmy the one Jan 2017 #30
Thank you for your support sarisataka Jan 2017 #33
sorry sari, wrong era webster's jimmy the one Jan 2017 #42
Cherry picking key words.. sarisataka Jan 2017 #44
It doesn't. Swords pistols accoutrements jmg257 Jan 2017 #12
Aw man. Ya' done opened up a can of worms now. Ya' done blasphemed flamin lib Jan 2017 #15
You mean Democratic Party talking points don't you? hack89 Jan 2017 #16
How many guns do you own, again? Or, shall I say, "cling to"? Marengo Jan 2017 #18
Your awkward question will no doubt go unanswered... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2017 #24
Might have saved yourself the effort. It's settled law now, at least for the foreseeable future. Marengo Jan 2017 #19
I just want to thank everyone for sharing their opinion.........n/t HAB911 Jan 2017 #20
You're welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #21
See post #19. It's a matter of *FACT* -- *not* opinion. NT pablo_marmol Jan 2017 #22
I just want to thank everyone for sharing their opinion.........n/t HAB911 Jan 2017 #23
I think there's an echo in here... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #25
No, the bill of rights "gives" nothing. X_Digger Jan 2017 #26
original wording was for the militia interpretation jimmy the one Jan 2017 #27
I'm really surprised no one has claimed HAB911 Jan 2017 #28
I think Hamilton was 1 of the 1st..the militia is much more of a defensive notion against tyranny jmg257 Jan 2017 #35
LOL, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, HAB911 Jan 2017 #36
You'll have to find someone who said it did. This is Hamilton's quote. jmg257 Jan 2017 #37
See: yagotme Jan 2017 #39
LOL!...........n/t HAB911 Jan 2017 #41
british scholars weighed in, after heller jimmy the one Jan 2017 #31
story & oliver support the militia view jimmy the one Jan 2017 #32
"probably" sarisataka Jan 2017 #34
They don't count. yagotme Jan 2017 #40
another sorry attempt re founding father quotes on 2ndA jimmy the one Jan 2017 #43
In all of your extended quotes sarisataka Jan 2017 #45
In your quote below, yagotme Jan 2017 #46
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