How is Meatloaf's 'Id Do Anything for Love' like the 2nd Amendment?

[jimmy the one]

43. another sorry attempt re founding father quotes on 2ndA

Sari thinks he has provided bona fide quotes from founding fathers proving that they thought 2ndA was an individual RKBA circa the time 2ndA was written 1791. He is wrong, as all the GNs are about this.
Sari either takes quotes out of context (ooc), or provides ambiguous quotes which have simply been twisted by rightwing propaganda & 2ndAmendment Mythology into the bogus belief that they support an individual rkba.

Sari takes some quotes out of context, as demonstrated below. As well I believe sari may have misquoted Hamilton. Sari needs provide a reputable link, since Hamilton is referring to 'the people' being armed as being for the militia, not 'at large' without that codicil:

1) "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." Hamilton

In context Hamilton was referring to the militia, excerpts from the paragraph: "The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious if it were capable of being carried into execution... To oblige the great body of the yeomanry and of the other classes of the citizens to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people and a serious public inconvenience and loss..
Little more can reasonably be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year

2) sari's quote: "To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws." --John Adams

In fuller context: The militia then must all obey the sovereign majority, or divide, and part follow the majority, and part the minority. This last case is civil war; but until it comes to this, the whole militia may be employed by the majority in any degree of tyranny and oppression over the minority. The constitution furnishes no resource or remedy; nothing affords a chance of relief but rebellion and civil war: if this terminates in favor of the minority, they will terrorize in their turns, exasperated by revenge, in addition to ambition and avarice; if the majority prevail, their domination becomes more cruel, and soon ends in one despot.
It must be made a sacred maxim, that the militia obey the executive power, which represents the whole people in the execution of laws. To suppose arms in the hands of the citizens , to be used at individual discretion, except in private self defense , or by partial orders of towns, counties, or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man— is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed, and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws"

Adams was not granting citizens an individual RKBA in the above, nor was he discussing it, he was simply mentioning exempting private use of arms from overall militia constraints. Sheesh, what a load of rubbish sari provides from his 2ndA mythology. Using dialectic reasoning again does sari & the GNs in.

3) Sari's misconception, also taking out of context: {The Constitution preserves} the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." --James Madison

potowmac's reply: There is no implication in the passage {above} that Madison meant a individual right to be armed outside of accountability to public authority. Madison was describing a balance of power between state government and federal government, not Sue Wimmershoff-Caplan's "armed citizen guerrillas"

In fuller context: It may well be doubted whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the late successful resistance of this country against the British arms will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation , the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments of the several kingdoms of Europe , which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms .
http://www.potowmack.org/emerappi.html