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Gun Control & RKBA

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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,593 posts)
56. Just a few points and issues
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 03:31 PM
Apr 2017

When we say:

All of our rights, even the ones enumerated in the Bill of Rights, are restricted. You can't shout "Fire!" in a crowd. You can't threaten to kill the president. You can't publish someone else's words as your own. We have copyright laws and libel laws and slander laws. We have the FCC to regulate our radio and television content. We have plenty of restrictions on our First Amendment rights.
...what we mean is these acts are against the law and you may suffer legal consequences for them.

I have a pet peeve about the very term "gun-control" because the only real control in the world is self-control. Referring to laws as "gun-control" has infected the thinking of the general public that these laws actually control something. They don't. Control is a myth. Why is it we don't call laws against murder "murder control"?

I suggest we move into the 21st century where an internet video can teach you to repair your clothes dryer, change your disc brake pads and build a full-auto rifle. Using archaic and inaccurate terminology in attempts to collect the thoughts and will of the people on an important topic only serve to confuse the issue and impede bringing any priorities to their legislators attention.

An exception to the 1A is prior restraint: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_restraint
...is censorship imposed, usually by a government, on expression that prohibits particular instances of expression.
...
In some countries (e.g., United States, Argentina) prior restraint by the government is forbidden, subject to certain exceptions, by a constitution.


My view of the RKBA is that it is a logical consequence of the universal right to life in that a right to life implies a right to self-defense. I find it amusing that many refer to "frontier justice" and "lawless old West" saying that without laws on buying and carrying guns, it would be like the OK Corral. Tombstone, AZ in 1881 had gun control and restrictions on carrying in town which, in fact, was the cause for the famous shootout.

The more things change, the more they remain the same and, regardless of what may be demonstrated by the events of the day, lots of folks are seemingly unable to learn anything.
im curious to know [View all] wincest Apr 2017 OP
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #1
Depends on whether you've changed your views on Trump elias7 Apr 2017 #2
i have not wincest Apr 2017 #5
I own a firearm, IndianaDave Apr 2017 #3
"to take it to the local Police Department to register it" wincest Apr 2017 #6
Even though Trump is - in the kindest term - unhinged, IndianaDave Apr 2017 #9
thank you wincest Apr 2017 #10
The 2nd HAB911 Apr 2017 #11
have to disagree wincest Apr 2017 #12
as example HAB911 Apr 2017 #13
re: "Before 1965, it would have occurred to precisely nobody... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #14
Anyway HAB911 Apr 2017 #15
Taking a straw man for an ally isn't the wisest of tactics. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #16
Straw man? HAB911 Apr 2017 #17
You called? Straw Man Apr 2017 #22
why ask me? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #23
"Bazooka" is an archaic term, and general used only by those with limited knowledge and .... Marengo Apr 2017 #26
LOL! HAB911 Apr 2017 #29
Essentially my reaction towards someone who uses "bazooka". It is however useful in the sense... Marengo Apr 2017 #37
if the use of bazooka is obsolete in your mind HAB911 Apr 2017 #38
Ridiculous. On the contrary, it weakens you argument. Please do continue using the term though Marengo Apr 2017 #41
Everyone loves Relational Similarities HAB911 Apr 2017 #43
I noticed you haven't responded to any posts on asymmetrical warfare in this thread... Marengo Apr 2017 #50
I think you hold yourself HAB911 Apr 2017 #51
Who is this "you" you are referring to? Marengo Apr 2017 #54
What are your qualifications for accurately assessing who can or cannot successfully engage... Marengo Apr 2017 #55
I submit that the very nature of asymmetrical warfare includes that any instance is successful. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #57
Still very curious to know what qualifies you to accurately determine who may, or may not,... Marengo Apr 2017 #59
"A threat to ignore is to opposing opinions" wincest Apr 2017 #58
Exactly. NT pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #61
As much as this may be a wasted effort, here's a perspective. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #28
Sorry HAB911 Apr 2017 #30
"(Y)our/our peashooters will be worthless" Ahem. Just last week in Afghanistan: friendly_iconoclast Apr 2017 #32
People have difficultly understanding sarisataka Apr 2017 #33
Completely correct. History has proven this. yagotme Apr 2017 #47
"Sometimes a side can win by simply not losing." pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #62
I can't imagine why discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #64
I just can't remember that quote about learning from history discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #40
Wash, rinse, repeat. yagotme Apr 2017 #48
I tossed my crystal ball after the last election discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #39
i would wincest Apr 2017 #20
The common 18th century definition of "free state" could indicate either for or against... Marengo Apr 2017 #25
Say hypothetically Calexit happened sarisataka Apr 2017 #27
Are you required by law to register firearms where you live? Marengo Apr 2017 #24
We need some people like you to start a RRA, Responsible Alice11111 Apr 2017 #34
What, in your view, constitutes reasonable gun ownership? Marengo Apr 2017 #42
Called our police and our sheriff about registering my firearms Hangingon Apr 2017 #46
Not changing. It is written they that live by the sword shall die by the sword. caroldansen Apr 2017 #4
agree wincest Apr 2017 #7
re: "It is written they that live by the sword shall die by the sword." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #8
Perhaps you have another view discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #44
"It is written they that live by the sword shall die by the sword." sarisataka Apr 2017 #45
I've always been a 2A progressive democrat....ALWAYS. ileus Apr 2017 #18
Not in the least sarisataka Apr 2017 #19
agree wincest Apr 2017 #21
I have not lunamagica Apr 2017 #31
Not me. MarvinGardens Apr 2017 #35
I have not. yagotme Apr 2017 #36
"Am supporter of the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. ALL the rights." wincest Apr 2017 #49
I actually got to meet Mr. McDonald, yagotme Apr 2017 #52
Still standing with (liberal) Kaili Joy Gray pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #53
Just a few points and issues discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #56
We might be on the same page on every book on the shelf. pablo_marmol Apr 2017 #60
Thanks. I don't know about today but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2017 #63
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