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In reply to the discussion: 538 researcher's discovery about guns [View all]sarisataka
(21,211 posts)41. Unfortunately it is not a damning report
and refutes many of gun control's favorite talking points. Just a few selections:
Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was used by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.
Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue. The report could not conclude whether passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.
This speaks to your claim that banning certain guns will reduce crime
There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).
Gun control zealots are unwilling to accept any report that does not support pre-determined conclusions 100%. That is why it is ignored.
I fully support allowing the CDC to do unbiased research and let it reach whatever conclusion is supported by the data.
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Marshall flat out and unequivocally admits the findings in the article are correct.
Decoy of Fenris
Nov 2017
#6
Bullshit. That claim is merely an article of faith, one easily demonstrated to be false:
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2017
#91
Since this is old, I'll just say: you are helping get Americans killed.
american_ideals
Dec 2017
#93
Rote recitation of talking points saves no Americans from getting killed...
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2017
#99
Your arguments are flawed - more guns means more crime and death. It's simple.
american_ideals
Dec 2017
#86
Statistics show you are wrong. Handgun ban. YOU are helping get Americans killed.
american_ideals
Dec 2017
#95
Obviously this will have to wait for a Democratic controlled congress
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Dec 2017
#98
So you have yet to answer a simple question about the policy that you advocate. Why is that?
oneshooter
Dec 2017
#105
"I already cited the arguments, and the data." Where? I don't see anything.
Decoy of Fenris
Nov 2017
#13
You didn't link a Weeds podcast. You linked a pro-RKBA editorial in response to a pro-RKBA editorial
Decoy of Fenris
Nov 2017
#17
But I'll humor you by quoting article in support of a handgun ban anyway.
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#19
You're still missing the forest for the trees: ban handguns to keep kids in cities from getting shot
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#39
Now you're being ridiculous. Handgun bans will help, and Vox is a great source.
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#35
Your schtick is far from new- 'Proof by assertion' and 'Lovejoying'...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#55
Sorry. When toys are recalled, does the government pay for them? (Hint: no).
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#57
Gun prohibitionists do far more typing than voting, so no 'gun recall'
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#58
More "the tide has turned" and "we'll have gun control Real Soon Now!", eh?
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#64
Gun fans: helping kids get killed every day in America. Need a handgun ban.
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#65
Your interlocutor is just wasting their time, period- they do not have the votes to...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#59
Meh-petulant reactions from political fantasists and culture warriors carry no sting
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#62