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In reply to the discussion: 538 researcher's discovery about guns [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)102. Again, 'argument/proof by assertion' is not proof of anything:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion
If and when you decide to offer up something more substantial than talking points from a 'messaging guide'...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10023396665
...we'll be glad to see it.
Argument by assertion is the logical fallacy where someone tries to argue a point by merely asserting that it is true, regardless of contradiction...
...It is also well known as rhetoric, because an assertion itself isn't really a proof of anything, or even a real argument - assertion only demonstrates that the person making the statement believes in it. An inability to provide anything other than an argument by assertion may be the result of brainwashing, basing ones belief on blind faith or ignorance as to what forms a proper argument. Those who argue by assertion often do think that they're making a real argument. They might simply not realise where they haven't provided a full argument. The point of constructive debate or discourse is to draw attention to this sort of thing, and for people to further develop and evolve their arguments in response. A truly fallacious argument by assertion is when someone continues to assert without advancing their argument, even after it has been pointed out.
A repeated argument by assertion can also take the form of non sequitur that requires little effort to make and is therefore often used to fatigue people who make actual arguments
...It is also well known as rhetoric, because an assertion itself isn't really a proof of anything, or even a real argument - assertion only demonstrates that the person making the statement believes in it. An inability to provide anything other than an argument by assertion may be the result of brainwashing, basing ones belief on blind faith or ignorance as to what forms a proper argument. Those who argue by assertion often do think that they're making a real argument. They might simply not realise where they haven't provided a full argument. The point of constructive debate or discourse is to draw attention to this sort of thing, and for people to further develop and evolve their arguments in response. A truly fallacious argument by assertion is when someone continues to assert without advancing their argument, even after it has been pointed out.
A repeated argument by assertion can also take the form of non sequitur that requires little effort to make and is therefore often used to fatigue people who make actual arguments
If and when you decide to offer up something more substantial than talking points from a 'messaging guide'...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10023396665
#1: ALWAYS FOCUS ON EMOTIONAL AND VALUE-DRIVEN
ARGUMENTS ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE, NOT THE POLITICAL
FOOD FIGHT IN WASHINGTON OR WONKY STATISTICS.
#3: CLAIM MORAL AUTHORITY AND THE MANTLE OF FREEDOM.
ARGUMENTS ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE, NOT THE POLITICAL
FOOD FIGHT IN WASHINGTON OR WONKY STATISTICS.
#3: CLAIM MORAL AUTHORITY AND THE MANTLE OF FREEDOM.
...we'll be glad to see it.
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Marshall flat out and unequivocally admits the findings in the article are correct.
Decoy of Fenris
Nov 2017
#6
Bullshit. That claim is merely an article of faith, one easily demonstrated to be false:
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2017
#91
Since this is old, I'll just say: you are helping get Americans killed.
american_ideals
Dec 2017
#93
Rote recitation of talking points saves no Americans from getting killed...
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2017
#99
Your arguments are flawed - more guns means more crime and death. It's simple.
american_ideals
Dec 2017
#86
Statistics show you are wrong. Handgun ban. YOU are helping get Americans killed.
american_ideals
Dec 2017
#95
Obviously this will have to wait for a Democratic controlled congress
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Dec 2017
#98
So you have yet to answer a simple question about the policy that you advocate. Why is that?
oneshooter
Dec 2017
#105
"I already cited the arguments, and the data." Where? I don't see anything.
Decoy of Fenris
Nov 2017
#13
You didn't link a Weeds podcast. You linked a pro-RKBA editorial in response to a pro-RKBA editorial
Decoy of Fenris
Nov 2017
#17
But I'll humor you by quoting article in support of a handgun ban anyway.
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#19
You're still missing the forest for the trees: ban handguns to keep kids in cities from getting shot
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#39
Now you're being ridiculous. Handgun bans will help, and Vox is a great source.
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#35
Your schtick is far from new- 'Proof by assertion' and 'Lovejoying'...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#55
Sorry. When toys are recalled, does the government pay for them? (Hint: no).
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#57
Gun prohibitionists do far more typing than voting, so no 'gun recall'
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#58
More "the tide has turned" and "we'll have gun control Real Soon Now!", eh?
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#64
Gun fans: helping kids get killed every day in America. Need a handgun ban.
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#65
Your interlocutor is just wasting their time, period- they do not have the votes to...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#59
Meh-petulant reactions from political fantasists and culture warriors carry no sting
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#62