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In reply to the discussion: 538 researcher's discovery about guns [View all]discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,593 posts)106. Dickey Amendment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment_(1996)
"...mandated that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control."
"...mandated that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control."
IMNSHO it is entirely possible (and preferable) to scientifically study violence, and specifically gun violence, while neither advocating nor promoting gun control. If you are a CDC researcher with a bias tasked with such a study, it behooves you to recuse yourself.
It seems obvious to me that the problem here is twofold. For one, seniormost CDC positions during Democratic (generally pro-restriction administrations) probably favor a pro-"control" position close to the party's on guns. They therefore avoid the issue and since congress isn't funding specific work on it, no work has been done other than what was ordered in 2013. I feel they prefer using the issue politically to blame the lack of research on the Republicans. For two, during Republican admins, those senior CDC officials favor the Republican position and they don't require evidence in support of their beliefs.
If the restrictionists/banners weren't trying to blame everything on a weapon and solve the whole violence issue with a simple widely cast ban, progress could be made. The biggest problem you have is the assault weapon ban supporters. Rifles are used very seldom by murderers. Maybe there's a way to enhance BGCs for handguns. We won't get there by trying to ban rifles.
This:
In comparison, firearms killed 33,636 people. Yet no national databases exists for gun deaths.
I'm not seeing this. The FBI maintains info differentiating murders by weapon (i.e. - handgun, rifle, shotgun...)
If you want statistics on death in general: https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate.html
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Marshall flat out and unequivocally admits the findings in the article are correct.
Decoy of Fenris
Nov 2017
#6
Bullshit. That claim is merely an article of faith, one easily demonstrated to be false:
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2017
#91
Since this is old, I'll just say: you are helping get Americans killed.
american_ideals
Dec 2017
#93
Rote recitation of talking points saves no Americans from getting killed...
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2017
#99
Your arguments are flawed - more guns means more crime and death. It's simple.
american_ideals
Dec 2017
#86
Statistics show you are wrong. Handgun ban. YOU are helping get Americans killed.
american_ideals
Dec 2017
#95
Obviously this will have to wait for a Democratic controlled congress
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Dec 2017
#98
So you have yet to answer a simple question about the policy that you advocate. Why is that?
oneshooter
Dec 2017
#105
"I already cited the arguments, and the data." Where? I don't see anything.
Decoy of Fenris
Nov 2017
#13
You didn't link a Weeds podcast. You linked a pro-RKBA editorial in response to a pro-RKBA editorial
Decoy of Fenris
Nov 2017
#17
But I'll humor you by quoting article in support of a handgun ban anyway.
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#19
You're still missing the forest for the trees: ban handguns to keep kids in cities from getting shot
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#39
Now you're being ridiculous. Handgun bans will help, and Vox is a great source.
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#35
Your schtick is far from new- 'Proof by assertion' and 'Lovejoying'...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#55
Sorry. When toys are recalled, does the government pay for them? (Hint: no).
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#57
Gun prohibitionists do far more typing than voting, so no 'gun recall'
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#58
More "the tide has turned" and "we'll have gun control Real Soon Now!", eh?
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#64
Gun fans: helping kids get killed every day in America. Need a handgun ban.
american_ideals
Nov 2017
#65
Your interlocutor is just wasting their time, period- they do not have the votes to...
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#59
Meh-petulant reactions from political fantasists and culture warriors carry no sting
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2017
#62