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In reply to the discussion: Fewer guns mean fewer killings. We want a handgun ban. [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)92. Bear in mind the name 'NRA' is to some people what 'George Soros' and/or 'Saul Alinsky' is to others
It's difficult (if not impossible) for these sorts of people to acknowledge that a political situation isn't
what they've decided it is, or that others may have judged the political zeitgeist better than they have.
Thus we get intimations of some vast, protean conspiracy thwarting their goals.
Sadly, it's not just the Trumpists that fall prey to this mindset- conspiracy theories happen on the Left as well as the Right.
References:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consensus_effect
In psychology, the false-consensus effect or false-consensus bias is an attributional type of cognitive bias whereby people tend to overestimate the extent to which their opinions, beliefs, preferences, values, and habits are normal and typical of those of others (i.e., that others also think the same way that they do).[1] This cognitive bias tends to lead to the perception of a consensus that does not exist, a "false consensus".
This false consensus is significant because it increases self-esteem (overconfidence effect). It can be derived from a desire to conform and be liked by others in a social environment. This bias is especially prevalent in group settings where one thinks the collective opinion of their own group matches that of the larger population. Since the members of a group reach a consensus and rarely encounter those who dispute it, they tend to believe that everybody thinks the same way. The false-consensus effect is not restricted to cases where people believe that their values are shared by the majority, but it still manifests as an overestimate of the extent of their belief. For example, fundamentalists do not necessarily believe that the majority of people share their views, but their estimates of the number of people who share their point of view will tend to exceed the actual number.
Additionally, when confronted with evidence that a consensus does not exist, people often assume that those who do not agree with them are defective in some way.[2]
This false consensus is significant because it increases self-esteem (overconfidence effect). It can be derived from a desire to conform and be liked by others in a social environment. This bias is especially prevalent in group settings where one thinks the collective opinion of their own group matches that of the larger population. Since the members of a group reach a consensus and rarely encounter those who dispute it, they tend to believe that everybody thinks the same way. The false-consensus effect is not restricted to cases where people believe that their values are shared by the majority, but it still manifests as an overestimate of the extent of their belief. For example, fundamentalists do not necessarily believe that the majority of people share their views, but their estimates of the number of people who share their point of view will tend to exceed the actual number.
Additionally, when confronted with evidence that a consensus does not exist, people often assume that those who do not agree with them are defective in some way.[2]
https://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/
ARCHIVE / 1964 / November
The Paranoid Style in American Politics
By Richard Hofstadter
It had been around a long time before the Radical Right discovered itand its targets have ranged from the international bankers to Masons, Jesuits, and munitions makers.
American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wing. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind. In using the expression paranoid style I am not speaking in a clinical sense, but borrowing a clinical term for other purposes. I have neither the competence nor the desire to classify any figures of the past or present as certifiable lunatics. In fact, the idea of the paranoid style as a force in politics would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to men with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant.
Of course this term is pejorative, and it is meant to be; the paranoid style has a greater affinity for bad causes than good. But nothing really prevents a sound program or demand from being advocated in the paranoid style. Style has more to do with the way in which ideas are believed than with the truth or falsity of their content. I am interested here in getting at our political psychology through our political rhetoric. The paranoid style is an old and recurrent phenomenon in our public life which has been frequently linked with movements of suspicious discontent...
...In the history of the United States one find it, for example, in the anti-Masonic movement, the nativist and anti-Catholic movement, in certain spokesmen of abolitionism who regarded the United States as being in the grip of a slaveholders conspiracy, in many alarmists about the Mormons, in some Greenback and Populist writers who constructed a great conspiracy of international bankers, in the exposure of a munitions makers conspiracy of World War I, in the popular left-wing press, in the contemporary American right wing, and on both sides of the race controversy today, among White Citizens Councils and Black Muslims. I do not propose to try to trace the variations of the paranoid style that can be found in all these movements, but will confine myself to a few leading episodes in our past history in which the style emerged in full and archetypal splendor.
https://www.amazon.com/Paranoid-Style-American-Politics/dp/0307388441
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Marengo
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#30
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oneshooter
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#39
No constitutional protection for any gun let alone hand guns outside of a
Eliot Rosewater
Dec 2017
#5
Not only does it go out of it's way to limit to a militia, it was clearly the intent of the
Eliot Rosewater
Dec 2017
#20
So you acknowledge the requirement the "militia" stipulation be satisfied for this blanket right?
Eliot Rosewater
Dec 2017
#23
Not at all- I merely pointed out that your view of 'the militia' isn't the legally binding one
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2018
#44
Here are some documents concerning the 2nd amendment, written much closer to the time it was drafted
tortoise1956
Jan 2018
#57
So true. Scalia was an idealogue and a tool of billionaires. Koches funded his law school at GMU.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#120
amen! I dont hunt but I like target shooting in my own back yard (the forest)..
samnsara
Jan 2018
#152
Interesting. It seems the fear of losing one's guns is a powerful driving force.
Chemisse
Jan 2018
#35
Snakes sometimes take more than one shot to hit them, bears sometimes more than one to kill
Pope George Ringo II
Jan 2018
#80
First off, thanks for acknowledging the limitation of your knowledge of the terminology
better
Jan 2018
#36
Bear in mind the name 'NRA' is to some people what 'George Soros' and/or 'Saul Alinsky' is to others
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2018
#92
"We" meaning "Me and the three others that recc'd my OP"? Gonna need more than that...
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2017
#18
Of course you will insist on a full 3 generation background check with fingerprints and blood sample
oneshooter
Jan 2018
#62
Yes, sorry to say. That position gets Americans in cities killed. Ban semiautos and handguns.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#118
Now this is about 'sovereignity'? Please. Guns kill Americans. We must stop that.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#134
Yes, if you reject gun control, you are complicit in gun deaths. Single-shot rifles only.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#116
Would you support a government mandate restricting the amount of meat consumed by Americans?
Marengo
Jan 2018
#148
Yup- gun industry is AFRAID of the data. They know what it will show. So they banned govt gun data.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#113
Ban handguns, semiautos. Donald Trump is the racist authoritarian and you are losing credibility.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#119
Yes. But the point is the gun industry was SO SCARED, they stopped research for 21 years
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#122
Of course, if multiple studies with high levels of evidence (Canada shows handgun laws work)
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#127
It nicely summarizes how the GOP has stopped gun research they are afraid of.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#124
Also, if you reject gun control, you're complicit in gun deaths. Sorry. Americans die due to guns.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#115
If you reject drug control/bans, you're complicit in drug deaths. Sorry. Americans die due to
yagotme
Jan 2018
#138
Yep, all it takes is one law and POOF, problem eliminated entirely and for forever.
Marengo
Jan 2018
#164
See above Washington Post article - GOP threatened CDC, who stopped funding gun research.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#114
If you are not for handgun restrictions (like Canada)-you're complicit. Sadly.
sharedvalues
Jan 2018
#172