Gun Control & RKBA

sharedvalues

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127. Of course, if multiple studies with high levels of evidence (Canada shows handgun laws work)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:39 AM

Jan 2018

I would back whatever the studies found.

The goal is to prevent gun deaths in America, which happen in mass shootings but also on a daily basis largely via handguns in cities. That's why Menino and Bloomberg were so strong on gun control - their citizens are getting killed.

So the goal is to prevent gun deaths. We know that reducing guns does that. For example Canada has strict handgun laws (https://www.vox.com/2014/10/24/7047547/canada-gun-law-us-comparison). And their rate of gun death is much lower, even though many Canadians own rifles. So that's why a handgun ban is a good idea -- we know people get killed in America by handguns, and Canada shows very strict handgun laws (can only rarely legally take handguns outside the home) work to reduce gun deaths.

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Fewer guns mean fewer killings. We want a handgun ban. [View all] sharedvalues Dec 2017 OP

Stop open carry and thbobby Dec 2017 #1

What is a small gauge shotgun? Marengo Jan 2018 #27

Gauge refers to the diameter of thbobby Jan 2018 #29

A .410 has more stopping power at short range than .30-06 or .44 Mag? Based on what criteria? Marengo Jan 2018 #30

Sorry to be "that guy" but - no The Polack MSgt Jan 2018 #31

Thanks thbobby Jan 2018 #37

I am a Master Sergeant, although I retired in 05 The Polack MSgt Jan 2018 #43

I received a 22 caliber single shot rifle thbobby Jan 2018 #45

I favor universal background checks. I do not believe that mechanical function bans are... The Polack MSgt Jan 2018 #46

Banning assault rifles thbobby Jan 2018 #47

Hunting is not the only legitimate use of a firearm, and the opinion of some hunters... Marengo Jan 2018 #50

Excellent post Msgt... Docreed2003 Jan 2018 #128

"Guage" is a rference of how many round ball, of cast lead, could be cast from a pound of lead. oneshooter Jan 2018 #39

Thanks for info! thbobby Jan 2018 #40

Absolutely opposed to a handgun ban ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #2

Guns are a cause of deaths. sharedvalues Dec 2017 #3

Lots of things are a cause of death ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #4

No constitutional protection for any gun let alone hand guns outside of a Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #5

There's lots of pre-Heller case law ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #7

Once and for all? Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #14

Sure, once and for all ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #15

Post the language, and yes I agree within the restriction of a militia Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #17

Here's the language ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #19

Not only does it go out of it's way to limit to a militia, it was clearly the intent of the Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #20

I guess we'll agree to disagree ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #21

I don't think this argument works from a couple of perspectives Pope George Ringo II Jan 2018 #33

"It is plain English" So is the Federal law that governs militias: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2017 #22

So you acknowledge the requirement the "militia" stipulation be satisfied for this blanket right? Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #23

Not at all- I merely pointed out that your view of 'the militia' isn't the legally binding one friendly_iconoclast Jan 2018 #44

Here are some documents concerning the 2nd amendment, written much closer to the time it was drafted tortoise1956 Jan 2018 #57

truth twisting rawle & story into individual rkba jimmy the one Jan 2018 #86

Nice job of selective editing... tortoise1956 Jan 2018 #93

tortoise' twisted pretzel logic jimmy the one Jan 2018 #95

pretzel logic take II jimmy the one Jan 2018 #96

secession, invalid; states appeal to 2ndA, invalid; jimmy the one Jan 2018 #98

pretzel logic take III jimmy the one Jan 2018 #99

look what you started discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #105

Hey, it's been informative! tortoise1956 Jan 2018 #168

I enjoyed the Escher reference discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #169

Some addiotional information: tortoise1956 Jan 2018 #94

pretzel logic take IV jimmy the one Jan 2018 #100

Jeez, it's hard to figure out where to start tortoise1956 Jan 2018 #167

pretzel logic take V jimmy the one Feb 2018 #174

pretzel logic take VI, plus footstick alert jimmy the one Feb 2018 #176

chapter 13, A View of the Constitution, 1825 or 1829 jimmy the one Feb 2018 #178

pro gun fallacies on this thread jimmy the one Jan 2018 #87

Ill ask you yet again, where has this interpretation been enforced? Marengo Jan 2018 #28

Careful with that... J_William_Ryan Jan 2018 #52

The "militia" of the 2A is everyone n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #54

So true. Scalia was an idealogue and a tool of billionaires. Koches funded his law school at GMU. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #120

Not true shenmue Jan 2018 #51

Which part is not true? N/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #53

amen! I dont hunt but I like target shooting in my own back yard (the forest).. samnsara Jan 2018 #152

won't happen - gun owners love their guns more than life itself. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #6

It won't happen ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #9

sometimes, the majority is simply wrong. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2017 #10

Of course ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #11

Hopefully not happen Timewas Dec 2017 #13

Because there is no public support for a handgun ban? Nt hack89 Dec 2017 #8

No. And it's this kind of sentiment that allows the NRA to flourish. Chemisse Dec 2017 #12

Very good point ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #16

I've got some ranchers in the family Pope George Ringo II Jan 2018 #34

Interesting. It seems the fear of losing one's guns is a powerful driving force. Chemisse Jan 2018 #35

No way. Ban guns that are designed to hurt people. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #65

Question: yagotme Jan 2018 #82

Single shot weapons only sharedvalues Jan 2018 #64

Snakes sometimes take more than one shot to hit them, bears sometimes more than one to kill Pope George Ringo II Jan 2018 #80

First off, thanks for acknowledging the limitation of your knowledge of the terminology better Jan 2018 #36

Ban semi-automatics sharedvalues Jan 2018 #66

No. Straw Man Jan 2018 #83

I can't help but appreciate the irony that this better Jan 2018 #84

cowpoo baloney jimmy the one Jan 2018 #90

So Bill Clinton was wrong? Straw Man Jan 2018 #91

Bear in mind the name 'NRA' is to some people what 'George Soros' and/or 'Saul Alinsky' is to others friendly_iconoclast Jan 2018 #92

"We" meaning "Me and the three others that recc'd my OP"? Gonna need more than that... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2017 #18

We that care about the lives of kids in cities sharedvalues Jan 2018 #67

Moral panic-mongers have always used children in their propaganda friendly_iconoclast Jan 2018 #85

I bet sharesunited would have recc'd it, if he/she were here. ileus Jan 2018 #89

Who us this "we"? Not those of us who want to pick up seats in 2018 kelly1mm Dec 2017 #24

And do we want a pony or sailboat to go with that? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #25

I LIKE my gun.. samnsara Jan 2018 #26

Yes but you are complicit in kids deaths by gun sharedvalues Jan 2018 #68

You may want a handgun ban, but you aren't going to get it Lurks Often Jan 2018 #32

It's Monday, a new year and a good time to answer again discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #38

Inglewood is a great example of who is hurt by guns sharedvalues Jan 2018 #69

Thanks for the reply discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #72

Handguns kill people sharedvalues Jan 2018 #73

I do respect the pro-restriction folks... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #74

Real men and women answer questions... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #75

And if you do get a ban, oneshooter Jan 2018 #41

Easy, the same way the ban will be passed into law... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #42

I really do not expect an answer to this question. oneshooter Jan 2018 #48

You really don't catch the "ban them all drift" do you? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #49

They lso have no iea how much the cost will be. oneshooter Jan 2018 #55

You should be ashamed of yourself... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #56

Not really. oneshooter Jan 2018 #58

Well, of course... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #59

I haven't seen any guns on the streets. Have you? aikoaiko Jan 2018 #60

I'd sure do my part. yagotme Jan 2018 #61

Of course you will insist on a full 3 generation background check with fingerprints and blood sample oneshooter Jan 2018 #62

Pretty "cold" outside now. yagotme Jan 2018 #63

Nah. Id take a ban. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #71

And how would you enforce and PAY for it? oneshooter Jan 2018 #77

Gun manufacturers can pay. Like tobacco companies did. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #157

Not how it works. oneshooter Jan 2018 #161

Asked question. Got good answer. Didn't like answer. Changed question. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #173

" if handguns are banned, their fair market value will drop " oneshooter Feb 2018 #175

Well, take it then, take it somewhere else discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #154

Yup. A street gun in Chicago shot a kid a few months ago sharedvalues Jan 2018 #70

Oh. You don't really mean "guns on the streets", you mean... aikoaiko Jan 2018 #79

Ummm, NOOOO! Kajun Gal Jan 2018 #76

What is your definition of an " assault rifles " oneshooter Jan 2018 #81

Lol. Good luck with that. bearsfootball516 Jan 2018 #78

Simple, because self defense firearms are actually designed to save lives. ileus Jan 2018 #88

"We want a handgun ban." Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #97

Something Else That Will Never Happen SoCalMusicLover Jan 2018 #102

"Gun humper"? Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #103

It is ALL he can do. n/t oneshooter Jan 2018 #104

You started the name calling (gr****er) And you apparently love guns sharedvalues Jan 2018 #107

I'm not American Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #109

Yes, sorry to say. That position gets Americans in cities killed. Ban semiautos and handguns. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #118

Do you support... Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #130

Now this is about 'sovereignity'? Please. Guns kill Americans. We must stop that. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #134

Because we... Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #135

Guns kill people. Do you support people and kids getting killed? sharedvalues Jan 2018 #141

My guns... Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #146

Does owning a car mean you support drunk drivers killing people? EX500rider Jan 2018 #165

Me and those who care about American lives. Which you apparently do not. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #106

My legally... Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #110

Yes, if you reject gun control, you are complicit in gun deaths. Single-shot rifles only. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #116

You are a great gift... Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #131

Gun lovers are complicit in American shootings. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #133

"weak people" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #136

Correct. Semiautos are designed to kill people. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #140

Please get past the idea that laws protect anyone n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #142

Laws are used to define the legal/illegality of a thing/activity. yagotme Jan 2018 #144

Real men. Straw Man Jan 2018 #145

I am primarily... Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #147

By your extreme... Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #150

Would you support a government mandate restricting the amount of meat consumed by Americans? Marengo Jan 2018 #148

Less gun deaths only if we get them from people that shouldnt have them OU65802 Jan 2018 #101

False on both. Fewer guns, fewer deaths. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #108

there is no such data gejohnston Jan 2018 #111

Yup- gun industry is AFRAID of the data. They know what it will show. So they banned govt gun data. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #113

Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #117

Ban handguns, semiautos. Donald Trump is the racist authoritarian and you are losing credibility. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #119

Are you familiar with the CDC's report sarisataka Jan 2018 #121

Yes. But the point is the gun industry was SO SCARED, they stopped research for 21 years sharedvalues Jan 2018 #122

You are not familiar with the report then sarisataka Jan 2018 #123

The report shows data is missing. Because GOP is afraid and banned data. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #125

Simple question sarisataka Jan 2018 #126

Of course, if multiple studies with high levels of evidence (Canada shows handgun laws work) sharedvalues Jan 2018 #127

It nicely summarizes how the GOP has stopped gun research they are afraid of. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #124

Also, if you reject gun control, you're complicit in gun deaths. Sorry. Americans die due to guns. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #115

If you reject drug control/bans, you're complicit in drug deaths. Sorry. Americans die due to yagotme Jan 2018 #138

Guns kill people. Heroin kills people. Both should be banned sharedvalues Jan 2018 #139

Swimming pools kill people. Cars kill people. yagotme Jan 2018 #143

Heroin IS banned! Marengo Jan 2018 #149

And there is your proof sarisataka Jan 2018 #153

But it would be different with guns because... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #155

Yep, all it takes is one law and POOF, problem eliminated entirely and for forever. Marengo Jan 2018 #164

GOP and NRA BANNED data. They are afraid of it. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #158

Show the data Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #112

See above Washington Post article - GOP threatened CDC, who stopped funding gun research. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #114

Possibly a case of reading comprehension discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #156

Selective quoting. Source for GOP/NRA data fear is above. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #159

Here's a bit of "selective quoting" for you discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #163

"False on both. Fewer guns, fewer deaths." Actually, no. EX500rider Jan 2018 #166

Dump the Russia sponsored NRA RainCaster Jan 2018 #129

Wow! Lokilooney Jan 2018 #160

Fuck that shit. n/t X_Digger Jan 2018 #132

I often include a persuasive or eloquent quote in a post discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #137

I LIKE and plan on keeping my handguns.... samnsara Jan 2018 #151

If you are not for handgun restrictions (like Canada)-you're complicit. Sadly. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #172

Thanks, but I'll be keeping mine Alea Jan 2018 #162

After some thought - don't think so. nt hack89 Jan 2018 #170

Who are "We"? n/t oneshooter Jan 2018 #171

Instead... TwistOneUp Feb 2018 #177