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82. Lets suppose you have a car that doesnt start because it needs a new...
Sun Mar 4, 2018, 04:38 PM
Mar 2018

starter.

While you have enough money to get a new starter you want a new car preferably a very expensive luxury sedan. Unfortunately you don’t have a job and since you live in a rural area you need a car to travel to apply for jobs. What do you do?

Obviously you first get the starter replaced. You then have the ability to look for a job and the means to get to work once you do. Of course you are not satisfied but at least you have taken some action to address your immediate problem. Somewhere down the line you may be able to purchase your dream car and make the payments on it.

The problem we have today is school shootings. Obviously at some time in the future we may be able to enact gun laws similar to those in Great Britain. However it makes good sense to take measures that would reduce the number of such tragedies now.

Realistically we may never be able to enact draconian gun control but we can save lives while we try.

In passing I am not a strong gun control advocate by any means but I do respect the views of those who are.

Banning evil looking assault style rifles or all semi-automatic rifles would not stop school shootings. Handguns and shotguns have been used in the past by those individuals who commit mass shootings. Even if every firearm in our nation was banned and successfully confiscated (unlikely at the best) those with severe mental issues would use explosives or drive vehicles into a crowd.


Bath School disaster

The Bath School disaster, sometimes known as the Bath School massacre, was a series of violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927, in Bath Township, Michigan, which killed 38 elementary schoolchildren and six adults and injured at least 58 other people.[Note 1] Kehoe killed his wife and firebombed his farm, then detonated an explosion in the Bath Consolidated School before committing suicide by detonating a final device in his truck.

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Kehoe murdered his wife Nellie sometime between May 16 and the morning of May 18, 1927; she had just been discharged from the hospital with an undefined illness. He then detonated various incendiary devices on his homestead on the morning of May 18 at about 8:45 a.m., causing the house and other farm buildings to be destroyed by the explosives' blasts and subsequent fires.

Almost simultaneously, an explosion devastated the north wing of the Bath Consolidated School building, killing 36 schoolchildren and two teachers. Kehoe had used a timed detonator to ignite hundreds of pounds of dynamite and incendiary pyrotol, which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers began working at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and used a rifle to detonate dynamite inside his shrapnel-filled truck, killing himself, the school superintendent, and several others nearby, as well as injuring more bystanders. During rescue efforts at the school, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol connected to a timing device set to detonate at the same time as the first explosions; the material was hidden throughout the basement of the south wing. Kehoe had apparently intended to blow up and destroy the entire school.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

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Thank you Diane Feinstein [View all] needledriver Mar 2018 OP
The fuck?! 50 Shades Of Blue Mar 2018 #1
They sneak in on us, don't they? shraby Mar 2018 #2
Why are these obvious anti Democratic posts allowed? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #6
Needledriver brought a political hit job from a blog, Hortensis Mar 2018 #32
I dont have the energy to repeatedly point out to whoever what is going on here. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #42
it will be a happy day when any of this passes congress and is signed by trump into law nt msongs Mar 2018 #3
Damn Her For Wanting To Get Rid Of The WEapons Me. Mar 2018 #4
Like I have been saying, the same groups that attacked Hillary are now after Dianne Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #7
You Betcha Me. Mar 2018 #17
The very same. Wwcd Mar 2018 #76
She did herself gibraltar72 Mar 2018 #81
But it wouldn't save lives aikoaiko Mar 2018 #40
Well Then, The Solution To All This Debate Me. Mar 2018 #41
That's you're perogative, but I think there is a lot in between AWB and do nothing aikoaiko Mar 2018 #43
Certainly Not Mine Me. Mar 2018 #45
Of course not. There are things that can be accomplished in the near future... spin Mar 2018 #91
This is the dumbest, dumbest, dumbest argument about guns. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #52
I'm not saying, "one gun law didn't work perfectly, we should give up" aikoaiko Mar 2018 #54
So ban all semi-autos. Not needed for hunting. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #61
You're a very long way away from 60 Senate votes willing to ban all semi-autos aikoaiko Mar 2018 #64
That's what my gay now-married friend said in 2006. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #68
The difference being that you're seeking to reduce civil liberties. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #70
"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is what is increased. Deaths reduce that right. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #71
Civil liberties are things protected from govt interference. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #73
How bout the rights of kids to attend school without being murderd down in a bloody heap Wwcd Mar 2018 #77
Kids like all people have a right to not to be murdered. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #78
No one needs... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #79
re: "Let's all stand up on the right side." discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #72
is this NRA Underground? samir.g Mar 2018 #5
No, this is the DU Gun Control and RKBA Group needledriver Mar 2018 #11
Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #44
It looks like you cut your bullet points off too soon. brer cat Mar 2018 #8
Thank you! needledriver Mar 2018 #10
Well, if you are so terrified brer cat Mar 2018 #12
Has yet to be established? needledriver Mar 2018 #14
When the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban became law a high percentage of .... spin Mar 2018 #29
+ 150 Me. Mar 2018 #18
Thank you (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #22
I don't think you understand how legislation and legislating works. George II Mar 2018 #9
Maybe I do, maybe I don't needledriver Mar 2018 #13
Oh. So, if it wasn't for Feinstein, things would be great. ehrnst Mar 2018 #15
If, after Sandy Hook needledriver Mar 2018 #16
635 Me. Mar 2018 #19
Amazing the power she has, isn't it? ehrnst Mar 2018 #21
Damn Me. Mar 2018 #25
Like it or not she was basically responsible for putting the poison pill in the bill... spin Mar 2018 #30
Well Then Let's Not Ever Try To Ban Those Guns Me. Mar 2018 #37
Gun control advocates have been trying to ban certain firearms for decades. ... spin Mar 2018 #55
The Possible Me. Mar 2018 #56
Here is a short list ... spin Mar 2018 #58
Nice Wish List Me. Mar 2018 #59
Lets suppose you have a car that doesnt start because it needs a new... spin Mar 2018 #82
Oh Stop Already Me. Mar 2018 #83
I am more interested in trying to save innocent lives if possible. ... spin Mar 2018 #84
And She Isn't? Me. Mar 2018 #85
I have no problem with her pushing for a new AWB in a separate bill. ... spin Mar 2018 #86
No Need To Be So Dismissive Me. Mar 2018 #87
It is called reality and sometimes reality sucks. ... spin Mar 2018 #88
OMG Me. Mar 2018 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Mar 2018 #92
Oh, so it was all her doing. ehrnst Mar 2018 #20
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #23
Complete & Utter Nonsense Me. Mar 2018 #24
Why is it that only the women are utter failures ? sheshe2 Mar 2018 #26
Now There's A Question Women Have Waited Centuries Me. Mar 2018 #27
Apparently RW talking points suddenly become facts when it comes to older female politicians. ehrnst Mar 2018 #34
FEmale Politicians Me. Mar 2018 #93
A study on mass shootings after the assault weapon ban was lifted, observed that mass shootings still_one Mar 2018 #28
So what you are saying is that even with background checks needledriver Mar 2018 #31
She is my Senator also, and I called bullshit on the statement blaming Feinstein on the lack of still_one Mar 2018 #38
Needledriver DOES "single out Feinstein," many times Hortensis Mar 2018 #48
In 1989 34 children and a teacher were shot and 5 children killed in Stockton, California, with a still_one Mar 2018 #49
I'm sure Needledriver wouldn't lie about something Hortensis Mar 2018 #50
Actually, it did have an effect on public safety, contrary to what you've heard from the NRA ehrnst Mar 2018 #33
Universal Background Checks are the real deal discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #39
I never said they didn't. I countered the argument that assault weapons bans ehrnst Mar 2018 #46
thank you, all weapon bans are even more effective... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #47
Oh, so she "took all of the political momentum that could have resulted" in another bill ehrnst Mar 2018 #35
"Needledriver?" Gosh, whatever could that mean? Squinch Mar 2018 #36
Feinstein is right on this issue. We need a ban on assault rifles. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #51
We need a ban on assault rifles. We should have a handgun ban too. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #53
And you just validated what the NRA has been claiming Always Right Mar 2018 #57
Same ban that UK, Canada, Aus has. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #60
You don't have the votes for that. AzureCrest Mar 2018 #62
That's what my gay now-married friend said about gay marriage in 2006. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #63
If you had the votes, the legislation would have been passed. AzureCrest Mar 2018 #65
Funny. That's ALSO what my gay now-married friend said in 2006 sharedvalues Mar 2018 #66
Uh huh. AzureCrest Mar 2018 #67
The right side of history. Let's all be on it. What's right: stopping American gun deaths. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #69
History says banning guns is not the right side. AzureCrest Mar 2018 #74
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #75
Thank you. K & R your post Wwcd Mar 2018 #80
+1 sharedvalues Mar 2018 #90
Agreed .... undercover_redneck Mar 2018 #94
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