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In reply to the discussion: Illinois judge rules FOID card 'unconstitutional' [View all]yagotme
(3,819 posts)13. Call a poll tax a "fee" to defray costs of the election...
See how this works?
And the state was approx. 5-6 months behind, prior to Covid, so "normal" is a questionable thing. There are lawsuits filed against the state, as it was supposed to be a 1-2 month wait for responses. The state being behind, even with NICS call ins, can cause a delay to purchase, instead of a proceed. This is in conjunction with a 3-day waiting period. If I have a FOID card, and an "Instant" background check, why am I required to wait, also? Heat of the moment? I already have had a FOID for several years, so chances are high I already have a firearm to use.
"The comparison of the right to vote to the right to own a firearm is just too silly to merit a response."
What, to compare constitutional rights is "silly"? (And yet, you did respond.) Anything else in the Bill of Rights you want delayed, fees applied, or taken away? And, you state that
"similar to other modest fees charged by most governments to defray the expense of the paperwork and record keeping for all sorts of documentation"could, and have been, applied to poll taxes.
Ahh, restrictions, and "constitutional carry". How about "constitutional speech"? Does that sound like a silly arrangement?
U.S. v Miller: A lot of gun prohibitionists love to use this court case, but basically he was denied in absentia, as he was deceased at the time of the hearing. The court denied the possession of the "sawed off shotgun", as it was "not in current usage by the military." Remember that statement. The court WAS wrong, as shotguns were in use at the time, the "trench broom". Now, if one reads the noted statement above, it would seem that the court at that time would view a "current" military arm as permissible use. Let the meaning of that sink in.
My belief: A "citizen", one of the "people" listed in the 2d, is one who has lawful citizenship, not been convicted of any felony which carries a sentence of over 1 year incarceration, and is of lawful age to vote. This is the base from which I would expound on. Mental patients, those who don't have full control of their faculties (Severe Alzheimers, etc.), temporary bans on assault charges, domestics, etc. Younger children allowed to handle weapons under parental supervision. As far as type of weapon, no extreme mass casualty type. No, I don't want John Brown down the street to keep a Trident III missile with a multi-tipped nuclear payload in his front yard. However, if he has, and can afford, a 155mm howitzer, and has a place to safely shoot it (not likely, anyway), I'd love to see it go off. People legally own machine guns, mortars, bazookas, and even tanks with functioning armaments. Know why you never see these in the news? Because they're LEGALLY owned, by upright citizens, and the cost of the system/fees, and jail time if used inappropriately, keeps them in check. Along with NOT wanting to murder anybody. The machine guns you DO see in the news, are either illegal ones, or not really machineguns. Because few in the media don't know what they're reporting on, with knowledge of firearms. Everything's either a Glock, an AK-47, or an AR-15/M-16. Hope this clears some things up.
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"In my opinion, FOID is not a strong enough deterrent to possession."
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2021
#8
"Think of the children" is a longtime tactic of crooks, demagogues, and moral panic-mongers
friendly_iconoclast
May 2021
#62
The Illitucky circuit, one of 2 dozen IL circuits, and he's one of a dozen judges in it.
Gidney N Cloyd
Apr 2021
#2
"Good"? Did you mean "Good God!" Or should we just remove ALL common sense statutes that
Atticus
Apr 2021
#4
I don"t think anything I could say could be more revealing of how extreme your views are than
Atticus
Apr 2021
#14
Obviously, there is little to be gained by further back-and-forth with you and your choir but,
Atticus
Apr 2021
#28
Such declaratory. Many emphatic. And not only wrong, but wrong-headed
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2021
#29
Peeved because your self-righteous sermonizing didn't get a receptive audience?
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2021
#35
Sounds to me *very* much to me like the RW attempts to gut Roe v Wade, Obergfell v Hughes, etc
friendly_iconoclast
May 2021
#43
I would hardly call making someone watih months to exercise a constitutional "common sense".
Dial H For Hero
Apr 2021
#15
Yeah, let's just sell AR-15s out of vending machines. Anyone with the cash can buy one NOW! nt
Atticus
Apr 2021
#16
That's essentially the way it has *always* been when it comes to private sales between individuals.
Dial H For Hero
Apr 2021
#17
My agenda is simply supporting present federal gun laws, with one exception.
Dial H For Hero
Apr 2021
#21
"(diminuative of 'James') (species of corvid)" laws were *also* held to be "common sense"...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2021
#44
Extraordinaily unlikely. More plausibly, they may mandate that every state be at least
Dial H For Hero
Apr 2021
#38
Friends in IL that have gotten FOID cards report the system as fair, albeit...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2021
#10