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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
28. Obviously, there is little to be gained by further back-and-forth with you and your choir but,
Thu Apr 29, 2021, 06:23 PM
Apr 2021

for the others who may see this thread, let's make a few things clear:

---it should be understood that the inalienable right you mention is "as currently interpreted by a right-wing majority on a SCOTUS no longer concerned with precedent." If our nation survives, that will change.

---firearms are "products" and are subject to tax just as nearly all products are, but the RIGHT to own a firearm is not "taxed".

---the "delays" now complained of are due in large part to covid, just like the delays in receiving new license plates or in filing our taxes.

---the "fees" involved are small and are only payable once every 10 years. This is not an obstacle to anyone who wants to legally possess a firearm.

---I can't respond to "outright denied due to your location" because I am unaware that has ever happened---i.e. "You cannot own a firearm because you live in BLANK County."

---it is not that the 2nd Amendment means "so little" to me; it is just that there are other rights to be considered and the current out-of-context interpretation of the "right to bear arms" is contrary to about a century's worth of prior SCOTUS rulings and was essentially "purchased" by the efforts of right wing extremists over several decades.

---I have not even suggested that any right be denied to anyone. I know that doesn't "fit" with your contrivance, but it is the truth. I simply disagree with your view that denial of the sacred "right to bear arms" to anyone---such as those on the "no fly" list, those adjudicated mentally incompetent or those LEGALLY blind---is impermissible.

How did she get the gun? Frasier Balzov Apr 2021 #1
She might not have bought it in Illinois. Angleae Apr 2021 #6
Or she may have bought it in Illinois before FOID requirements. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2021 #9
"In my opinion, FOID is not a strong enough deterrent to possession." friendly_iconoclast Apr 2021 #8
May I please see your -BOID-? RotorHead May 2021 #54
False equivalency. Frasier Balzov May 2021 #58
Well, SON... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #59
I think of those kids at Sandy Hook and Marjorie Stoneman Frasier Balzov May 2021 #61
"Think of the children" is a longtime tactic of crooks, demagogues, and moral panic-mongers friendly_iconoclast May 2021 #62
Since there is no Right to murder people... RotorHead May 2021 #64
re "...wonder what rights you could possibly be claiming..." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #66
BTW... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #60
Thank you. RotorHead May 2021 #63
:) discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #67
How so? RotorHead May 2021 #65
The Illitucky circuit, one of 2 dozen IL circuits, and he's one of a dozen judges in it. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2021 #2
As I understand it, it's for this case only. yagotme Apr 2021 #24
Interesting case. James48 Apr 2021 #3
"Good"? Did you mean "Good God!" Or should we just remove ALL common sense statutes that Atticus Apr 2021 #4
"Infringes..." yagotme Apr 2021 #11
I'm sure that, like everything else, responses to FOID apps are slower due to Atticus Apr 2021 #12
Call a poll tax a "fee" to defray costs of the election... yagotme Apr 2021 #13
I don"t think anything I could say could be more revealing of how extreme your views are than Atticus Apr 2021 #14
Extreme views? yagotme Apr 2021 #22
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #23
Correct, thank you Hawker123 Apr 2021 #25
Obviously, there is little to be gained by further back-and-forth with you and your choir but, Atticus Apr 2021 #28
Such declaratory. Many emphatic. And not only wrong, but wrong-headed friendly_iconoclast Apr 2021 #29
I'm sure you think that post makes sense, don't you? Atticus Apr 2021 #30
I'm sure you think that post was an effective rebuttal, don't you? Dial H For Hero Apr 2021 #31
So very true Hawker123 May 2021 #40
Made perfect sense to me, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #32
Peeved because your self-righteous sermonizing didn't get a receptive audience? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2021 #35
Unlike castle bansalot Hawker123 May 2021 #41
All I can say has been better said before. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #52
Unlike castle bansalot Hawker123 May 2021 #42
What is Castle Bansalot? Irish_Dem May 2021 #45
Have a link: discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #46
Thank you for the info. Irish_Dem May 2021 #47
For reference... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #48
I had no idea these groups existed on DU. Irish_Dem May 2021 #49
You're welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2021 #50
Yes that is one I am interested in as well. Irish_Dem May 2021 #51
Surely you can explain where s/he was incorrect, yes? RotorHead May 2021 #56
Let's look at some of these... yagotme Apr 2021 #33
And yet ... Straw Man May 2021 #39
Sounds to me *very* much to me like the RW attempts to gut Roe v Wade, Obergfell v Hughes, etc friendly_iconoclast May 2021 #43
I would hardly call making someone watih months to exercise a constitutional "common sense". Dial H For Hero Apr 2021 #15
Yeah, let's just sell AR-15s out of vending machines. Anyone with the cash can buy one NOW! nt Atticus Apr 2021 #16
That's essentially the way it has *always* been when it comes to private sales between individuals. Dial H For Hero Apr 2021 #17
And, you think that's OK? nt Atticus Apr 2021 #18
Yes I do. nt Dial H For Hero Apr 2021 #19
Case closed. There is no more doubt about your agenda. nt Atticus Apr 2021 #20
My agenda is simply supporting present federal gun laws, with one exception. Dial H For Hero Apr 2021 #21
Definitely agree with suppressors Hawker123 Apr 2021 #26
In some European countries, they're essentially sold over the counter. Dial H For Hero Apr 2021 #27
Some countries, (Finland is one, IIRC), yagotme Apr 2021 #34
France is another. oneshooter Apr 2021 #36
Please explain this "agenda" you see? RotorHead May 2021 #57
"(diminuative of 'James') (species of corvid)" laws were *also* held to be "common sense"... friendly_iconoclast May 2021 #44
Hopefully The Mouth Apr 2021 #37
Extraordinaily unlikely. More plausibly, they may mandate that every state be at least Dial H For Hero Apr 2021 #38
Me too. I'd be happy with that The Mouth May 2021 #53
How is the FOID 'common sense"? RotorHead May 2021 #55
Lol, ok! Nt USALiberal Apr 2021 #5
I am on the fence regarding the Illinois FOID system... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2021 #7
Friends in IL that have gotten FOID cards report the system as fair, albeit... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2021 #10
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