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beam me up scottie

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39. Because some people do call them progressives.

Tue Apr 11, 2017, 11:51 AM

Apr 2017

In fact that's been an issue for quite some time when it comes to excusing religious intolerance.

The pope is often referred to as progressive even though he actively opposes both lgbt and women's reproductive rights.

Stop calling Pope Francis progressive: You might love his pastoral style, but don’t fool yourself on Vatican substance

Recently an outspoken opponent of abortion who wanted to ban it completely and still calls for more restrictions was called a "progressive person of faith". Another - a lawyer for the hate group the Family Research Council which vilifies lgbt people and accuses gay men of being sexual predators was praised for his good works.

I expect some disagreement when it comes to defining what makes a progressive 'progressive' but personally I draw the line at active opposition to human rights for women and lgbt people. I was curious about how others felt so I created a poll.

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Can a religious person be considered progressive if they oppose lgbt and reproductive rights? [View all] beam me up scottie Apr 2017 OP

Hell.To.The.Fucking.No! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #1

Simple is a good definition. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #2

It's a simple question specifically regarding women's and lgbt rights. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #3

I need more information. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #4

I can't possibly make it any simpler. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #5

People don't usually respond to obvious straw men Lordquinton Apr 2017 #7

If you can't fully oppose laws designed to impose anyone's religious views, that's not progressive. bettyellen Apr 2017 #9

Precisely. This is a deal breaker for me. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #10

I think that there are several Curmudgeoness Apr 2017 #20

I believe that I specified in another thread that I was talking about guillaumeb Apr 2017 #21

But who gives a crap Curmudgeoness Apr 2017 #22

Everything is either undefined, or based on one single issue. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #30

I love how the rights of historically opressed people Lordquinton Apr 2017 #40

Is that how you define progressive? What about military intervention to prevent genocide? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #46

I believe no one cares. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #23

Were you going to vote, or were you just hanging around in this thread for no particular reason? AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #26

Just watching the evasion, and outright reluctance to name guillaumeb Apr 2017 #31

Well, you've offered plenty of red herrings. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #34

And who is Dr. Susan Blackmore, and what qualifies her for the label? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #35

It is how I identify her after many hours of lectures, and several books, plus public speaking AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #44

In your definition of Progressive EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2017 #15

No. But I do not dismiss all that is progressive in judging. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #17

Barney Frank and Pete Stark edhopper Apr 2017 #28

Pete Stark? With his well-known respect for women? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #32

Still better than the Pope. Lordquinton Apr 2017 #41

A matter of opinion. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #49

Woah, you just took it to the next level Lordquinton Apr 2017 #52

Even with assistance? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #53

The Orthodox Christian Putin? Lordquinton Apr 2017 #54

Progressive comrades of faith!!! trotsky Apr 2017 #60

I'm unclear about your response EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2017 #81

First, define what a progressive is, and is not. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #87

Hitchens wasn't a progressive. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #24

They are labelled Religious Prerogative Progressives delisen Apr 2017 #6

I googled that term and didn't find a match. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #8

Sorry I was being flippant. Active opposition to the rights of others is not progressive, delisen Apr 2017 #11

Ah, gotcha. I think that's where the difference lies. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #12

I am male, and abortion is not a choice I could make. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #18

I can't tell if that was a dog whistle or not. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #68

All of that would be covered by my pro-choice stance. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #75

Still not clear. trotsky Apr 2017 #80

The subject of another post. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #86

Now it's clear. trotsky Apr 2017 #93

They could be a Democrat but not a Progressive IMO. nt WePurrsevere Apr 2017 #13

Agreed. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #14

When one treats a certain group as less than whole citizens Dawson Leery Apr 2017 #16

Meaning that none of the Founders of this country were progressive in a modern sense. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #19

That depends edhopper Apr 2017 #29

According to Antonin Scalia............... guillaumeb Apr 2017 #33

Why is you're go to an atheist conservative theist? Lordquinton Apr 2017 #42

And you believe Scalia? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #45

nice side stepping edhopper Apr 2017 #50

Scalia did the country a great service when he allowed a seat to open up. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #51

The Repukes edhopper Apr 2017 #67

For added hilarity, let's repeat this poll in GD. AtheistCrusader Apr 2017 #25

I guess. If they don't advocate for government involvement in lgbt and reproductive rights? Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #27

As I said up-thread I'm referring to those who actively oppose lgbt and reproductive rights. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #36

No, and why would the question even need to be asked? Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #37

Because some people do call them progressives. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #39

I mean, the pope is progressive by comparison to the 17th century time bubble that the Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #61

Wait, what? You just said opposition to lgbt and reproductive rights isn't progressive. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #63

Yeah in a perfect world I'd dissolve all religions entirely because they require adherence to Jonny Appleseed Apr 2017 #66

Are you serious? "the Catholic church has no power in America"? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #69

"the Catholic church has no power in America" Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #71

Something else to ask... NeoGreen Apr 2017 #38

That's a very good question. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #47

NO Doreen Apr 2017 #43

That's my opinion as well. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #48

Nope! Liberalism and egalitarianism go hand and hand. LostOne4Ever Apr 2017 #55

Well said! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #56

No...if you condone anti-LGBT or anti-choice legislation, you are not progressive. LOL Lib Apr 2017 #57

Agreed. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #59

Apparently a Few People Like This *Are* Calling Themselves Progressive On the Road Apr 2017 #58

"drive off all the religious people" trotsky Apr 2017 #62

Asking a simple question is "driving off all the religious people"? beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #64

You and I have been here long enough to have seen that old threat thrown out many times. trotsky Apr 2017 #65

Yep. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #70

"Back of the bus with you, atheist!" trotsky Apr 2017 #72

It's nice here in the back of the bus. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #73

You bet. trotsky Apr 2017 #74

Aw. Iggo Apr 2017 #85

You can't deny civil rights and basic health care to over half the population Warpy Apr 2017 #76

Exactly. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #78

You can call yourself the easter bunny for all I care, but vlyons Apr 2017 #77

That's where the difference is. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #79

Relative to the rest of their particular religious community, maybe. Htom Sirveaux Apr 2017 #82

A reasonable answer. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #83

Yeah, I would agree with that. Htom Sirveaux Apr 2017 #84

No I would not define them as progressive. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #88

I feel the same way. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #89

BTW my mom had open heart surgery yesterday. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #90

I hope she continues to recover and is home soon. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #91

Thanks. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #92