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marylandblue

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82. Well I can agree with that, i do think clergy should be held to higher standard

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:32 AM

Sep 2018

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We hold doctors to higher standard than others, why not others. It's not enough to say that institutions protect themselves, not all do it, and not all to the same degree. The church has to police its own, and hold itself to account.

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Why do some people engage in "whataboutism" in religion? [View all] guillaumeb Sep 2018 OP

My view of your posts- digonswine Sep 2018 #1

Thank you for your insights. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #3

Read the reports, large numbers of priests were likely involved or had knowledge marylandblue Sep 2018 #8

Out of over 400,000 priests, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #18

But ALL of them were part of the... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #19

Illogical. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #20

Since when does logic... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #21

You made an assertion. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #22

I think you responded... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #23

#19 was an example of fallacious reasoning, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #24

All that has to be proven is... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #25

"All that has to be proven..." guillaumeb Sep 2018 #27

Correct,... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #28

What difference does it make marylandblue Sep 2018 #36

Agreed, it is a matter for prosecutors to decide. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #39

I left off the sarcasm emoji marylandblue Sep 2018 #40

I am sure he did not intend to make a fallacious argument marylandblue Sep 2018 #52

But, as you pointed out in a repsonse to me, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #62

I didn't claim you had a "hidden agenda" marylandblue Sep 2018 #64

And my intentions are good also. Therefore I am not wrong. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #66

That's why fallacies can't be based on intent marylandblue Sep 2018 #76

Please state what standard and method of proof you propose marylandblue Sep 2018 #30

I am proposing nothing. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #32

No it is for all of us to decide as citizens concerned about the problem marylandblue Sep 2018 #35

We can pressure law makers, so in that sense we have influence, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #38

We make the decision as citizens and people concerned about religion marylandblue Sep 2018 #41

For the record- digonswine Sep 2018 #9

yet you specifically said the military actively covers up sex assault cases qazplm135 Sep 2018 #15

You are using a variant version of tu quoque marylandblue Sep 2018 #2

I can only respond: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #4

The bit about intent is not part of the definition marylandblue Sep 2018 #5

C'mon, mary. Everyone knows intention is what makes an argument fallacious. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #16

The only obvious reason to employ the fallacy is to excuse the conduct. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #17

No, that it is not correct, fallacies are used for a variety of purposes marylandblue Sep 2018 #31

We disagree. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #33

My communications teacher disagrees with your debate teacher marylandblue Sep 2018 #34

You wrote: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #37

You are saying what I don't mean, so no, we don't agree marylandblue Sep 2018 #42

Well, you did write it. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #43

No, you misintepreted it. marylandblue Sep 2018 #44

The point of engaging in whataboutism is to divert. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #45

Nonetheless, you have in fact diverted the discussion marylandblue Sep 2018 #46

We disagree. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #47

Sorry, I almost never accuse people of bad faith, but marylandblue Sep 2018 #49

By the way, you have accused others of bad faith many times marylandblue Sep 2018 #53

Diversion is exactly the form your apologia takes Major Nikon Sep 2018 #54

I'm no brainiac, but after reading all replies, this one sounds sound. sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #56

It depends on what the person is trying to distract from marylandblue Sep 2018 #57

It's also designed to dilute the seriousness of the problem. MineralMan Sep 2018 #58

Yes, that is the essence of whataboutism marylandblue Sep 2018 #59

One of my general rules is not to engage with anyone MineralMan Sep 2018 #60

But it must be rejected because guillaumeb Sep 2018 #63

Since everybody on this board denies they have that intent marylandblue Sep 2018 #65

Sorry, your statement was pre-emptively rejected. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #67

It wasn't intended as humor, so it can't be funny marylandblue Sep 2018 #69

It can be. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #71

No only intent matters, just like for fallacies. marylandblue Sep 2018 #75

Whooo 🦉 are they that lie in wait to pounce. 🤔 sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #70

"Lie, lay, lain." sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #72

So we need another word? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #73

Yes, I feel that's more definitive. Non-believers/theists have their practices that could be sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #74

Personally, I am upset at how pedophilia in the Church is being treated marylandblue Sep 2018 #77

Here we go. I too am distressed regarding a disease in this branch of the Christian faith. sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #79

Well I can agree with that, i do think clergy should be held to higher standard marylandblue Sep 2018 #82

Who is engaging in it? Lordquinton Sep 2018 #6

The OP engages in it in their other thread: Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #26

I want the OP to say it Lordquinton Sep 2018 #29

You are incorrect, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #48

Just as you are. marylandblue Sep 2018 #50

You are free to waffle as you wish Major Nikon Sep 2018 #55

Keep digging, guillaumeb. MineralMan Sep 2018 #7

... Major Nikon Sep 2018 #10

Spectacular! MineralMan Sep 2018 #11

TL;DR Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #12

I don't know, why do you? trotsky Sep 2018 #13

One of the best yet Major Nikon Sep 2018 #14

Our natural inclination to defend religious minoties RandySF Sep 2018 #51

Agreed. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #61

Who in the galloping fuck is "surprised"? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #68

We should be surprised if religious institutions act worse than prison inmates marylandblue Sep 2018 #78

Whoa, my lovely lashes with a wet noodle 'sparring' opponent. 🤕 sprinkleeninow Sep 2018 #80

Yes there is such a case marylandblue Sep 2018 #81