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qazplm135

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52. I think people forget

Mon Oct 15, 2018, 05:02 PM

Oct 2018

the "all other things being equal" part of Occam's Razor.

Occam's Razor does not say merely "no extra layers." And it says the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, not always.

I think option one more or less excises any possibility of an intelligence behind it.

I think option three requires a pretty fanciful argument to even speculate about an intelligence behind it.

I think option two is the idea of a "hierarchy" of universes (our universe formed/branched off from a "higher" universe).
And there I think there's some grounds for rational thoughts on the possibility.
Again, it's not necessarily even science since it's probably never going to be falsifiable, but it's not necessarily silly nonsense either.

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Did the Big Bang create God or did God create the Big Bang? [View all] Soph0571 Oct 2018 OP

It's simple PJMcK Oct 2018 #1

Depends on who or what God is. There is no reason to insist that there is no... TreasonousBastard Oct 2018 #2

You have this backwards edhopper Oct 2018 #11

I've never heard of anyone Mariana Oct 2018 #12

Well you aren't listening to any astrophysicists. LakeArenal Oct 2018 #13

The word "superfluous" does not mean impossible. Mariana Oct 2018 #17

No intelligence behind the universe. Okay, how do you define "intelligence"? gtar100 Oct 2018 #30

You see a whole lot of intelligence behind the universe. Mariana Oct 2018 #38

Note the word "insist". All of this is speculation so there is no reason to insist on anything... TreasonousBastard Oct 2018 #20

I see the distinction you are trying to make now edhopper Oct 2018 #24

I am not trying to make anything-- there is no absolute proof of no unicorns either... TreasonousBastard Oct 2018 #28

I meant the distinction of saying there is no intteligent creator edhopper Oct 2018 #32

OK. Sometimes things get lost around here. TreasonousBastard Oct 2018 #34

very true edhopper Oct 2018 #39

Are there possibilities that involve intelligence creating the universe? qazplm135 Oct 2018 #43

but Occam's Razor edhopper Oct 2018 #45

I don't know that we'd be adding an extra layer qazplm135 Oct 2018 #47

None of those options edhopper Oct 2018 #49

I think people forget qazplm135 Oct 2018 #52

None of them explain the origin, they just add a speculative Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #54

No depending on the theory qazplm135 Oct 2018 #55

Neither... NeoGreen Oct 2018 #3

Beyond finding out... pretzel4gore Oct 2018 #4

People are comprehending the universe everyday. LakeArenal Oct 2018 #14

We still can't square the circle !. pretzel4gore Oct 2018 #27

Gosh...squaring the circle.... uriel1972 Oct 2018 #31

Perpetual motion machines! pretzel4gore Oct 2018 #36

The perfect fit is an illusion and a temporary one... uriel1972 Oct 2018 #37

that is not even remotely true edhopper Oct 2018 #40

The mystery...it's vaster then the universe pretzel4gore Oct 2018 #46

I don't agree with your edhopper Oct 2018 #50

Would you care to define your God... uriel1972 Oct 2018 #58

You discovered the information about the eclipse? MineralMan Oct 2018 #41

The moon is not exactly the same size as the sun. Mariana Oct 2018 #44

Your head is very small and I can crush it between my fingers. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #72

Precisely. nt. Mariana Oct 2018 #73

can't tell if being serious qazplm135 Oct 2018 #48

Anything we don't know right now is surely magic, then. FiveGoodMen Oct 2018 #79

He did? Would you provide a reference, please? Thanks in advance. nt. Mariana Oct 2018 #18

Romans 11:33 KJV pretzel4gore Oct 2018 #25

Thank you. Mariana Oct 2018 #29

The Big Bang Is In The Last Season..... global1 Oct 2018 #5

Best answer. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #23

He'll need his sister with him FiveGoodMen Oct 2018 #80

The question is perhaps the biggest philosophical rubbish I have ever heard. DetlefK Oct 2018 #6

Well said. LakeArenal Oct 2018 #15

Science doesn't go back that far zipplewrath Oct 2018 #77

This is not about the Big Bang. It is about science and religion as concepts. DetlefK Oct 2018 #82

They occasionally intersect zipplewrath Oct 2018 #83

They talk about the same topic, but don't even share the same language. DetlefK Oct 2018 #84

But they do conflict zipplewrath Oct 2018 #85

"Genesis says" 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2018 #7

Looks like that God is about to be hoist by his own petard. MineralMan Oct 2018 #8

I'd love to have been there with a camera.. Permanut Oct 2018 #9

If history repeats itself, I am so getting a dinosaur. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2018 #10

Oh, what fun! What kind will you get? nt Mariana Oct 2018 #19

One of the cute ones. Like in Jurassic Park. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2018 #22

If it was me, I'd probably get a vegetarian one. TreasonousBastard Oct 2018 #35

Chicken/Egg elleng Oct 2018 #16

No. woofless Oct 2018 #21

No Mind No Buddha WhiteTara Oct 2018 #26

It's a complex question keithbvadu2 Oct 2018 #33

LOL! MineralMan Oct 2018 #42

The big bang created the environment ... TwistOneUp Oct 2018 #51

Uh "Creation"? uriel1972 Oct 2018 #53

Creation, evolution, mutation, whatev. TwistOneUp Oct 2018 #56

It's not about pedantry... uriel1972 Oct 2018 #57

How about this...God is the Big Bang. gtar100 Oct 2018 #59

And what? edhopper Oct 2018 #60

See how easy it is? MineralMan Oct 2018 #61

Easy? edhopper Oct 2018 #62

I don't know. I came up with the Cherry Bomb creation in just minutes. MineralMan Oct 2018 #63

But the problem with your myth is edhopper Oct 2018 #65

That's the least of the problems. MineralMan Oct 2018 #67

But this myth starts with six singularities edhopper Oct 2018 #68

That's just their opinion, you know. MineralMan Oct 2018 #69

The mythology that is edhopper Oct 2018 #70

Too cool! MineralMan Oct 2018 #71

I don't know qazplm135 Oct 2018 #75

Didn't say there weren't contradictions edhopper Oct 2018 #76

Man qazplm135 Oct 2018 #78

I thi9nk we are all edhopper Oct 2018 #81

It's not made up, man. It's the real deal. gtar100 Oct 2018 #64

Answers coming edhopper Oct 2018 #66

Soph asks good, serious questions Bretton Garcia Oct 2018 #74