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Voltaire2

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40. CCC 405.

Tue Oct 23, 2018, 05:22 PM

Oct 2018

405 Although it is proper to each individual, original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.

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There is a crack... in everything. That's how the light gets in. [View all] guillaumeb Oct 2018 OP

"sin" is a... NeoGreen Oct 2018 #1

Sin is one way of saying "imperfect". guillaumeb Oct 2018 #3

Kindly... NeoGreen Oct 2018 #15

It's a way of saying homosexuality is bad while child rape is not Major Nikon Oct 2018 #19

The problem with your "analysis" is that it is contradicted by Jesus' own words. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #21

Speaking of "any real evidentiary basis" do you have a cite? Major Nikon Oct 2018 #23

You made specific claims. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #24

"The problem with your "analysis" is that it is contradicted by Jesus' own words." Major Nikon Oct 2018 #26

Carefully read #19. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #37

Carefully read where I asked for a cite for your assertion you failed to produce. Major Nikon Oct 2018 #39

Do, please, show us those words, Guy. MineralMan Oct 2018 #32

Tyhe Bible is pretty specific edhopper Oct 2018 #2

No, your reading is specific. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #4

Oringinal sin edhopper Oct 2018 #5

Original sin is imperfection. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #6

Hardly edhopper Oct 2018 #7

And your response is your attempt to derail the post. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #8

All my response are about your post edhopper Oct 2018 #9

Do you argue for perfection? guillaumeb Oct 2018 #10

I disagree edhopper Oct 2018 #11

Disagreement is diversion Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #13

You just don't understand Major Nikon Oct 2018 #29

Does it mean imperfection? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #46

Are you suggesting that my imperfection influences my interpretation? guillaumeb Oct 2018 #47

No. I'm not. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #49

it's pretty literally laid out in the bible qazplm135 Oct 2018 #50

the crack in the oppression and misery created by religion lets in the light nt msongs Oct 2018 #12

But a splash of water and mumbo jumbo Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #14

Simplistic, and untrue. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #16

Please demonstrate the validity of your claims. MineralMan Oct 2018 #33

The claim was actually in #14. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #38

CCC 405. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #40

From your own citation: guillaumeb Oct 2018 #41

It erases original sin. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #43

Reread the citation. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #44

This was what you said in your op: Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #48

FFS qazplm135 Oct 2018 #51

Par for the course. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #54

Original sin is a purely Christian concept. MineralMan Oct 2018 #17

Original sin is a metaphor for imperfection. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #18

Punt. MineralMan Oct 2018 #20

You see only the reflection cast by the real. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #22

Tu Quoque. MineralMan Oct 2018 #25

Original sin has an implication of guilt that imperfection does not marylandblue Oct 2018 #27

Well, like all things, Guy's argument is imperfect. MineralMan Oct 2018 #28

And thus you reveal your true feelings about yourself and others. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #42

Punt again. MineralMan Oct 2018 #45

Biblical literalists are those who believe in biblical inerrancy Major Nikon Oct 2018 #34

you know when something is said literally qazplm135 Oct 2018 #52

The same concept exists pretty much verbatim with all Abrahamic religions Major Nikon Oct 2018 #30

As you say, religion has its uses. MineralMan Oct 2018 #31

By extension, who can argue with someone who pretends to speak for god? Major Nikon Oct 2018 #35

Oh, arguing with human beings is easy. Entertaining, too. MineralMan Oct 2018 #36

Thanks for posting poem. Interesting. But to be honest, my feelings are that everyone is made... SWBTATTReg Oct 2018 #53

An interesting viewpoint. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #55

Nonsense. MineralMan Oct 2018 #56

You apparently missed the point. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #57

What point do you think I missed? MineralMan Oct 2018 #58

What I initially wrote. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #59

I addressed that upthread. MineralMan Oct 2018 #60

We disagree. eom guillaumeb Oct 2018 #61

We almost always do. MineralMan Oct 2018 #62

We agree. eom guillaumeb Oct 2018 #63