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MineralMan

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12. Apologetics don't cut it, Guy.

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:13 AM

Nov 2018

The Flood story is quite detailed and does not appear to have been meant to be metaphorical. It was told as the act of an angry deity who was displeased with its imperfect creation. So, the malevolent creator decided to simply destroy the humans, save one family. Cleansing? Well, in the sense of racial or species cleansing, perhaps. Offend the deity and it will simply kill you.

It's not a metaphor for some sort of refreshing bath, dear. It is a metaphor for petty retribution by the deity and is meant as a cautionary tale, not a metaphor for baptism or any other cleansing ritual.

You have stretched credulity beyond its breaking point with this. And so have all of the apologists who have tried to use this argument to disguise their vengeful and petty deity.

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God breaks his promise [View all] Cartoonist Nov 2018 OP

You have retold ... TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #1

The flood is a metaphor for cleansing. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #2

Sez who, Guy? MineralMan Nov 2018 #3

I just did. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #4

All that really proves is fundamentalists are more honest Major Nikon Nov 2018 #10

So you claim a special insight into what the writers intended? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #15

Are you trying to be funny, because this is a special kind of funny Major Nikon Nov 2018 #17

So yes, your response confirms it. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #20

Strawman bullshit doesn't do your argument any favors Major Nikon Nov 2018 #25

Your words defeat this response: guillaumeb Nov 2018 #26

So now you're trying to pretend I meant something other than exactly what I said Major Nikon Nov 2018 #29

And now you revert back to your preferred response. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #33

The revision and argument that followed was yours Major Nikon Nov 2018 #37

Stick with the gif(t). guillaumeb Nov 2018 #40

I'd rather you just continue to explain what I meant as that shit is hilarious Major Nikon Nov 2018 #41

Better. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #42

Try to stay focused Major Nikon Nov 2018 #43

We may argue exactly what the intent of certain statements are. marylandblue Nov 2018 #52

And there are arguments as to what that "literal" interpretation is. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #54

Which is not what I said marylandblue Dec 2018 #62

Apologetics don't cut it, Guy. MineralMan Nov 2018 #12

And you are the definer of what the writers intended? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #16

But you already declared yourself the definer. trotsky Nov 2018 #18

Nah, he's claiming "history" defined it as "metaphorical" Major Nikon Nov 2018 #19

The answer is here: guillaumeb Nov 2018 #21

Nope, no answer there. trotsky Nov 2018 #36

Too easy. But thank you anyway. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #38

Yeah, the correct one Major Nikon Nov 2018 #46

I'll agree with you on your last phrase. trotsky Dec 2018 #68

See #46. MN agrees with my view. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #47

I agreed that a reasonable person will arrive at a conclusion Major Nikon Nov 2018 #48

That isn't what this is about. trotsky Dec 2018 #69

No. I'm an analyst of what the writings say. MineralMan Nov 2018 #22

And many analysts support the view that the use of water as a metaphor guillaumeb Nov 2018 #23

Let's see some links, Guy. MineralMan Dec 2018 #55

#4 guillaumeb Dec 2018 #56

No, my dear Guillaume, I saw that one. Random essays from blog sites MineralMan Dec 2018 #57

OK. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #58

I understand your need to deflect from the question. MineralMan Dec 2018 #59

I understand your need to frame and control the dialogue. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #60

My screen name appears about 6 times in the list of replies to this thread. MineralMan Dec 2018 #61

Water has more than one meaning in the Bible. marylandblue Dec 2018 #63

The Bible flood story has amazing similarity to the flood story in the Epic Of Gilgamesh, VMA131Marine Nov 2018 #30

Yes, so it does... MineralMan Nov 2018 #32

There's also numerous other flood myths that pre-dated Major Nikon Nov 2018 #44

Correct! VMA131Marine Nov 2018 #45

Find the place in that article where it talks about edhopper Nov 2018 #13

Everything on that link is about washing and drinking water marylandblue Nov 2018 #49

Water cleanses sin. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #53

Well sure. In the specific case of the flood Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #64

A metaphoric slaughter? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #65

Sure, a metaphoric slaughter. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #66

Nobody is arguing that the flood narrative is literal marylandblue Dec 2018 #67

It can't be, as your allegation is illogical. TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #5

Your framing lacks nuance. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #6

I'm glad someone knows exactly what everything in the Bible means... uriel1972 Nov 2018 #7

He doesn't know any better than anyone else Major Nikon Nov 2018 #9

I identified this as my opinion. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #24

"The flood is a metaphor for cleansing." Major Nikon Nov 2018 #28

Each of my responses is not a separate treatise on my world view. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #31

When someone claims something "is" something, that IS an assertion of fact Major Nikon Nov 2018 #34

As to accuracy, guillaumeb Nov 2018 #35

Keep digging Major Nikon Nov 2018 #39

When has floodwater ever been a metaphor for cleansing? marylandblue Nov 2018 #50

Floods are wet aren't they? Major Nikon Nov 2018 #51

It is because gil decided it is. trotsky Dec 2018 #70

"his opinion is better" He has convinced himself. MineralMan Dec 2018 #71

It's not that his opinion is better than others, marylandblue Dec 2018 #72

You lack honesty Major Nikon Nov 2018 #8

Your argument is false. I call BS. TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #11

Ok. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #14

Technically he is correct? HopeAgain Nov 2018 #27