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Voltaire2

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78. Authority to rule is not ruling.

Reply to zipplewrath (Reply #76)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:12 AM

Jan 2019

Characterizing Europe as being ruled by the RCC is, well, “unusual”.

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There is a tendency to argue in favor of Roman Catholic practices, [View all] MineralMan Jan 2019 OP

Even worse when the laws in question would stop children from getting raped Major Nikon Jan 2019 #1

Yes. How can anyone justify continuation of such a thing, even in part? MineralMan Jan 2019 #3

Perhaps because they are indoctrinated from birth to protect the institution Major Nikon Jan 2019 #7

Yes. I can see that for people who consider themselves to be Catholics. MineralMan Jan 2019 #9

We still have a certain deference to clergy of all types marylandblue Jan 2019 #63

The Catholic Church has gotten special treatment since the Middle Ages marylandblue Jan 2019 #2

You're right, of course. MineralMan Jan 2019 #4

The Catholic Church WAS the civil authority zipplewrath Jan 2019 #12

Ah, a nice, well-considered apologia, indeed. MineralMan Jan 2019 #46

The US zipplewrath Jan 2019 #48

The United States was founded, in part, because of the excesses of MineralMan Jan 2019 #51

Maybe you should zipplewrath Jan 2019 #55

Wait what? Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #75

Oh, yes it did zipplewrath Jan 2019 #76

Authority to rule is not ruling. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #78

It's more complicated than that. marylandblue Jan 2019 #79

Well, for purposes of this discussion, there were two parallel law systems marylandblue Jan 2019 #74

Above the law zipplewrath Jan 2019 #77

Yes. marylandblue Jan 2019 #80

My tendency is to note what is bad about any institution. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #5

Is that your tendency? I hadn't noticed that. MineralMan Jan 2019 #6

Yeah, whatabout that? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #8

Yeah. What about fixing what is wrong, without using MineralMan Jan 2019 #10

Probably misplaced it. Look next to "I'll praise him for the good, condemn him for the bad"... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #21

Perhaps a vision test is in order. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #13

.. MineralMan Jan 2019 #16

Maybe you could share with us your strategies for "dealing with it". Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #25

Do you have it? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #31

So, you won't be answering the question, then. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #60

Truth be told I had peace for a time not reading and posting on here. sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #61

Some here may be acting as well as posting. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #64

My words were not directed at you, sprinkleeninow Jan 2019 #66

You are arguing that. trotsky Jan 2019 #11

And you are misframing what I actually say, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #14

Wrong. trotsky Jan 2019 #17

More attempts at calling misframing dialogue. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #19

I KNEW IT. trotsky Jan 2019 #23

Who could ever imagined Gil wouldn't respond? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #26

Post this in the humor section. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #27

Why on earth would I do that, gil? It's NOT FUNNY. trotsky Jan 2019 #28

...again Major Nikon Jan 2019 #29

No, it is actually nonsense. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #34

Not true at all. And you could shut me up in an instant. All you have to do is: trotsky Jan 2019 #36

There is one fact here. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #37

Why do you feel clergy can exclude some information from mandatory reporting laws, gil? trotsky Jan 2019 #40

Yes, just one. You have refused to make a clear statement MineralMan Jan 2019 #47

Nonsense. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #57

.. MineralMan Jan 2019 #58

Diversion? Is that your idea of a joke? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #59

No, diversion is your attempt to change the subject. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #65

You sound like Giuliani when he claims what was said wasn't what was said Major Nikon Jan 2019 #67

Ironic that you responded. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #68

As have others Major Nikon Jan 2019 #69

Again, with your unsupported accusations. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #70

Just because you don't agree, doesn't mean I didn't support it Major Nikon Jan 2019 #71

No one agrees. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #72

... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #73

The topic of YOUR OP was how mandatory reporting laws should apply to clergy. trotsky Jan 2019 #62

Yet you are the one who posted an OP from a RCC priest telling us what won't stop RCC child rape Major Nikon Jan 2019 #24

Incorrect. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #30

Just exactly how the fuck is it not correct that you posted the OP, Gil? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #41

You made a claim. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #43

The author is an RCC priest who is saying secular laws on child rape shouldn't apply to the RCC Major Nikon Jan 2019 #45

Interestingly enough that's exactly what the RCC does Major Nikon Jan 2019 #15

Gaslight. Obstruct. Project. trotsky Jan 2019 #20

It's not just the child sexual abuse, either. MineralMan Jan 2019 #18

And there are DUers who are OK with this. trotsky Jan 2019 #22

Rest assured we will be dismissed as the "intolerant" "choir" Major Nikon Jan 2019 #33

Undoubtedly. trotsky Jan 2019 #38

Not just intolerant, Major Nikon Jan 2019 #44

There are. Which led to my post. MineralMan Jan 2019 #49

"Misframing!!" trotsky Jan 2019 #50

Religion has a strong hold on many people. MineralMan Jan 2019 #52

Which is ironically the same pathetic excuse which is used in a variety of other situations Major Nikon Jan 2019 #56

the whole organization is absolutely disgusting AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #32

I agree with you about its behavior in several areas. MineralMan Jan 2019 #35

yes, they are exempt from taxes not the law AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #39

In the case of child sexual abuse, most states exempt the clergy MineralMan Jan 2019 #42

No matter what the priests and nuns do or say, vlyons Jan 2019 #53

It can be extraordinarily difficult to examine evidence MineralMan Jan 2019 #54