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In reply to the discussion: How Oxford and Peter Singer drove me from atheism to Jesus [View all]Jim__
(14,464 posts)79. It sounds more likely that she disagrees with Singer's views on human equality.
This is what she said:
I remember leaving Singers lectures with a strange intellectual vertigo; I was committed to believing that universal human value was more than just a well-meaning conceit of liberalism. But I knew from my own research in the history of European empires and their encounters with indigenous cultures, that societies have always had different conceptions of human worth, or lack thereof. The premise of human equality is not a self-evident truth: it is profoundly historically contingent. I began to realise that the implications of my atheism were incompatible with almost every value I held dear.
Singer's views about human equality are complex and need to be considered as a whole; but many people are shocked by his views on infanticide. There is a very brief discussion of his views in this article from Aeon. A short excerpt:
In the 1970s, the Australian moral philosopher Peter Singer, perhaps best-known for his book Animal Liberation (1975), began to argue that it is ethical to give parents the option (in consultation with doctors) to euthanise infants with disabilities. He mostly, but not exclusively, discussed severe forms of disabilities such as spina bifida or anencephaly. In Practical Ethics (1979), Singer explains that the value of a life should be based on traits such as rationality, autonomy and self-consciousness. Defective infants lack these characteristics, he wrote. Killing them, therefore, cannot be equated with killing normal human beings, or any other self-conscious beings.
The thought of killing disabled babies is especially dangerous because the concept of disability often functions as a mere cloak, thrown over much uglier hatreds. In Disability and the Justification of Inequality in American History (2001), the historian Douglas Baynton points out that African-American enslavement was justified through disability models: there was a supposition that African Americans suffered from a number of medical conditions that were understood to make them unable to care for themselves. Until 1973, homosexuality was a psychological disorder justified in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders; the current edition, the DSM-5, still considers transgender people disabled.
Singer generally frames severe physical disabilities through a medical lens. His ideas chafe against models of the disabled as a minority group. To Singer, severe disability is more a problem to be solved than a difference to be embraced and accommodated.
For years, I thought Singer was morally bankrupt. I grew up in a family with hereditary deafness, and though deafness is far from the type of disability that Singer was focusing on (with some arguing that its not a disability at all), I still recognised an idea that the disability community has faced for centuries: that people with disabilities are fundamentally less entitled to their rights even their lives. Singers ideas stood in opposition to my core belief that the disabled body is created largely through a lack of accommodation, and that people with disabilities are different perhaps, but not less.
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The thought of killing disabled babies is especially dangerous because the concept of disability often functions as a mere cloak, thrown over much uglier hatreds. In Disability and the Justification of Inequality in American History (2001), the historian Douglas Baynton points out that African-American enslavement was justified through disability models: there was a supposition that African Americans suffered from a number of medical conditions that were understood to make them unable to care for themselves. Until 1973, homosexuality was a psychological disorder justified in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders; the current edition, the DSM-5, still considers transgender people disabled.
Singer generally frames severe physical disabilities through a medical lens. His ideas chafe against models of the disabled as a minority group. To Singer, severe disability is more a problem to be solved than a difference to be embraced and accommodated.
For years, I thought Singer was morally bankrupt. I grew up in a family with hereditary deafness, and though deafness is far from the type of disability that Singer was focusing on (with some arguing that its not a disability at all), I still recognised an idea that the disability community has faced for centuries: that people with disabilities are fundamentally less entitled to their rights even their lives. Singers ideas stood in opposition to my core belief that the disabled body is created largely through a lack of accommodation, and that people with disabilities are different perhaps, but not less.
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Whatever an individual feels they need to give their life meaning is their business,
The Velveteen Ocelot
May 2019
#3
It's a little difficult to understand how the implications of her atheism were incompatible with ...
Jim__
May 2019
#4
Good, so I expect you'll never argue about the definition of atheism again.
marylandblue
May 2019
#91
I argued only for expanding the definition to include those who might believe. eom
guillaumeb
May 2019
#141
If their belief is that atheism is not a belief, then that is how they define their atheism.
marylandblue
May 2019
#151
People publish personal anecdotes all the time. Obviously it meant something to the author,
The Velveteen Ocelot
May 2019
#24
I've read "Mere Christianity," and although it's a beautifully-written explanation
The Velveteen Ocelot
May 2019
#43
You're the one who has claimed to have a giant fan club sending you private messages.
trotsky
May 2019
#97
I didn't know anything about Singer before, but I see he has a unique moral perspective
marylandblue
May 2019
#124
I think is a general discomfort with the idea that there is no ultimate justice.
marylandblue
May 2019
#129
Based on everything you've said before, no category is relevant for any purpose.
marylandblue
May 2019
#152
I did research the word. And I know a postmodern narrative when I see one.
marylandblue
May 2019
#169
Well now that you know why I picked that word, perhaps you could consider
marylandblue
May 2019
#178
I was paraphrasing a quick survey of her impression of what he seems to be saying.
marylandblue
May 2019
#133
My thoughts are that for someone who apparently got her PhD from Cambridge, logic or clear writing
muriel_volestrangler
May 2019
#135
Irving-Stonebraker writes a cliched "captivity," then "conversion narrative"
Bretton Garcia
May 2019
#136
I am convinced it's a narrative crafted to appeal to evangelical christians.
AtheistCrusader
May 2019
#140