Religion

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)

45. This is all a relatively recent trend.

Thu May 23, 2019, 08:48 AM

May 2019

I'm talking about the sweep of history measured in centuries.

You might be right that religion will continue it's decline faster than I think.

On the other hand, Europe has a rising right wing now. It hasn't affected religion in Western Europe, but it has helped religion in Eastern Europe. Things may change in Western Europe as well.

"Prediction is hard especially.about the future."

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

123 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Pete Buttigieg shouldn't lead the religious left. There shouldn't even be a religious left. [View all] trotsky May 2019 OP

Ya don't wanna mix the two zipplewrath May 2019 #1

Even from a more cynical place... Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #2

What makes you think those of use who support Pete care about peeling votes away from evangelicals? leftofcool May 2019 #4

Composition fallacy. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #5

How you do know there are a significant number of people in that subset. marylandblue May 2019 #20

Pretty sure he thinks so Major Nikon May 2019 #33

Or.maybe he is a member of the religious left who likes to wear religion on his sleeve marylandblue May 2019 #38

Regardless he is using his religion as a political tool by his own admission Major Nikon May 2019 #41

Yes that's true, he is using religion as a tool. marylandblue May 2019 #43

There's your problem right there. Eko May 2019 #52

Because people don't trust atheists and Democrats don't trust people who are too religious. marylandblue May 2019 #58

The first part is for sure, Eko May 2019 #70

Well I think it depends on two factors marylandblue May 2019 #71

But don't you think politicians have a moral obligation to fight prejudice? Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #114

Yes politicians should fight prejudice, but they also have to get elected. marylandblue May 2019 #117

Guil? An argument against a religious left, is a very good argument against Guil Bretton Garcia May 2019 #35

I love Pete bashing threads so early in the morning leftofcool May 2019 #3

That's not the point of the article, but go ahead. n/t trotsky May 2019 #7

This is just the way we're going to do things here from now on. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #8

Indeed it does. trotsky May 2019 #10

Yes the bernie bros showed us that Fullduplexxx May 2019 #18

It was hardly a behavior relegated to Sanders fans. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #32

+1000 stonecutter357 May 2019 #9

Would you care to address the topic of the article? trotsky May 2019 #12

It seems to me radical noodle May 2019 #101

Is your answer to my question "yes," then? n/t trotsky May 2019 #103

No. radical noodle May 2019 #104

To be more clear radical noodle May 2019 #105

That's great, as long as you agree religious beliefs should not be the basis for policy. trotsky May 2019 #109

I can't say anything about "everyone" radical noodle May 2019 #110

Just remember True Dough May 2019 #76

Sectarian religious wars? safeinOhio May 2019 #6

dis·gust·ing OP! stonecutter357 May 2019 #11

Really. trotsky May 2019 #13

Please show where he's doing that. Scoopster May 2019 #14

Which is exactly what conservative Christians have been saying for years. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #15

Actually they've been saying the US is a Christian nation based on Biblical principles. marylandblue May 2019 #21

Not all of them are that dumb. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #25

I'd probably oppose such legislation unless there was a good secular reason too. marylandblue May 2019 #26

Barack Obama led by example True Dough May 2019 #77

Anecdotes are quaint. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #99

That's so profound! True Dough May 2019 #106

Not surprising. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #107

"use of the Christian faith to justify political choices conflates Christianity with those choices" trotsky May 2019 #16

You heard him no religious people allowed! Fullduplexxx May 2019 #17

That's not even close to what was said. trotsky May 2019 #19

The article draws on a subordinate Christian tradition, not the dominant one. marylandblue May 2019 #22

Is it preferable to base policy on religious beliefs? n/t trotsky May 2019 #23

Policies and politics are not the same. marylandblue May 2019 #24

No one is saying religious groups can't engage in political action. trotsky May 2019 #27

Yes that's what he says, but that's not what most Christians have historically believed. marylandblue May 2019 #28

Base your policies on religion, and they become unassailable. trotsky May 2019 #29

That's too vague and general a statement to really have an answer. marylandblue May 2019 #30

Getting upset is one thing. trotsky May 2019 #36

It's controversial because there has always been this tension in Christianity marylandblue May 2019 #39

Which makes such a thing as the "religious left" unnecessary, as the author states. trotsky May 2019 #40

No that's really your argument. marylandblue May 2019 #48

OK. trotsky May 2019 #49

I don't agree that the nature of religious belief is always the same. marylandblue May 2019 #60

Not all is dogmatic, trotsky May 2019 #62

I don't like the word "faith" because it is very vague. marylandblue May 2019 #63

Indeed it is, thus the problem with it. trotsky May 2019 #64

Dare I say you have more "faith" in humanity than I do? marylandblue May 2019 #65

There are bad systems of government, and not-as-bad systems of government. trotsky May 2019 #66

Yes, some systems are worse than others, but I'm losing my faith in democracy after Trump marylandblue May 2019 #67

The religious left became necessary radical noodle May 2019 #111

See this is the dangerous shit: trotsky May 2019 #115

I'm not sure what passage you're referring to radical noodle May 2019 #116

By declaring that YOU know what the true message of Jesus is, yeah, you're expressing certainty. trotsky May 2019 #119

You seem to be confusing me with someone else radical noodle May 2019 #122

Nope, not confused. trotsky May 2019 #123

You don't see anything wrong with religious groups engaging in political action? Really? Major Nikon May 2019 #34

I don't seen anything wrong with it precisely because it has been the case for thousands of years. marylandblue May 2019 #42

There's been plenty of examples where religion hasn't influenced politics Major Nikon May 2019 #44

This is all a relatively recent trend. marylandblue May 2019 #45

Policies should not be based on anyone's religion Lordquinton May 2019 #31

Right? trotsky May 2019 #37

It's typical in-group thinking. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #46

Or we are just conditioned to say it automatically, marylandblue May 2019 #47

Why say anything? Voltaire2 May 2019 #50

That's a really silly analogy. nt marylandblue May 2019 #59

It doesn't matter; he's Episcopalian. ;-) nt Ilsa May 2019 #51

Agree with you completely trotsky Docreed2003 May 2019 #53

The wall between religion and government needs to be high The Genealogist May 2019 #54

Obama showed it can be done True Dough May 2019 #78

Obama got nowhere with his religiosity Voltaire2 May 2019 #83

He was unfortunately linked to a rogue pastor, yes True Dough May 2019 #85

It was his pastor at his church. Voltaire2 May 2019 #87

That's just glib. It wasn't "his" church True Dough May 2019 #88

I'm sorry you are uncomfortable with the facts. Voltaire2 May 2019 #89

Still obtuse True Dough May 2019 #90

My point was that Obama's religiosity Voltaire2 May 2019 #91

"And yes of course he should have stood up for Wright." True Dough May 2019 #92

Obama's goal was to win, and he won. marylandblue May 2019 #93

I didn't bring up Obama. Voltaire2 May 2019 #94

Anything can be weaponized. Point is, he won. marylandblue May 2019 #96

Church membership has taken a dive in the last 20 years njhoneybadger May 2019 #55

Tell that to religious progressives. guillaumeb May 2019 #56

Like you, Guil? Bretton Garcia May 2019 #57

There are religious progressives. guillaumeb May 2019 #68

I don't want to live in a theocracy. trotsky May 2019 #61

And I do not wish to live in a Chinese style, non-theistic, dictatorship. guillaumeb May 2019 #69

"Dictatorship of the Proletariat " or the people? Bretton Garcia May 2019 #72

Any dictatorship is, in the end, guillaumeb May 2019 #74

We couldn't go a discussion without dragging China into it Lordquinton May 2019 #75

Democratic rule: by The People, for the People Bretton Garcia May 2019 #82

Nah. Blanquist vanguard parties are the Voltaire2 May 2019 #84

Eric Prince currently in China ... Bretton Garcia May 2019 #86

#Whataboutism n/t trotsky May 2019 #97

My Pastor shakes his head at me because I give to the Freedom from Religion Foundatioin JustFiveMoreMinutes May 2019 #73

Your pastor doesn't support the principle of Separation of Church and State? nt. Mariana May 2019 #79

Actually he does but not an activist about it! N/t. JustFiveMoreMinutes May 2019 #80

What a shame. Mariana May 2019 #81

Is God becoming non-partisan? Cartoonist May 2019 #95

Entanglement between religion and government is never good. MineralMan May 2019 #98

Many of them talk about religion and other things that aren't related to their plans. marylandblue May 2019 #100

This is laughable left-of-center2012 May 2019 #102

The state has no legal justification to engage in procon May 2019 #108

Some prefer to think that religion has no place in the Government. guillaumeb May 2019 #112

Nonsense. Believers do that all the time. procon May 2019 #113

If you are mixing religion and Government as a citizen of the US of A... NeoGreen May 2019 #118

Really? I guess we'll have to shut down the DU Religion Group then. marylandblue May 2019 #120

Good catch, allow me to rephrase my comment... NeoGreen May 2019 #121