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In reply to the discussion: Pete Buttigieg shouldn't lead the religious left. There shouldn't even be a religious left. [View all]radical noodle
(8,613 posts)122. You seem to be confusing me with someone else
Where did I say that I know what the true message of Jesus is? Where did I ever say that policy should be ruled by religion? Not only did I not say that I directly said it should not.
The verse you first referred to
Jesus also said that those who do not accept him shall burn forever
appears to be from Luke 19:27. However if you read Luke 19:1-27, you will see that he is telling a parable about a king and his servants. The verses you refer to in this post refer to separating the evil from the good, but that's a belief most religions share. Reading the entire passage Matthew 13:30-50 and Mark 9:30-50, give a fuller picture of his meaning. I personally believe there was probably such a man, maybe or maybe not named Jesus, but what and who he even was is debatable. What he meant is also debatable since there have been multiple translations and I imagine those translations were colored by the translator's beliefs.
Religion does not rule my life. In fact, I haven't set foot in a church for three years and then I only went to register voters. Back in the day when I did attend church regularly, it was to a rather progressive church for those times. I came away from it without a religious belief, but with some moral and ethical ideas firmly ingrained. If you want me to agree that there are undoubtedly controversial passages in the Bible I will freely admit that. There are also tons of examples of contradictory passages, particularly if one jumps back and forth between Old and New Testaments.
I will try once more to be clear. I do NOT believe that religion should make policy. What I do believe is that human beings may form their moral and ethical beliefs based on religion if exposed to one. This might lead those who have progressive or liberal values toward the Democratic Party. I would never suggest that religion be used to make policy.
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Pete Buttigieg shouldn't lead the religious left. There shouldn't even be a religious left. [View all]
trotsky
May 2019
OP
What makes you think those of use who support Pete care about peeling votes away from evangelicals?
leftofcool
May 2019
#4
Or.maybe he is a member of the religious left who likes to wear religion on his sleeve
marylandblue
May 2019
#38
Regardless he is using his religion as a political tool by his own admission
Major Nikon
May 2019
#41
Because people don't trust atheists and Democrats don't trust people who are too religious.
marylandblue
May 2019
#58
But don't you think politicians have a moral obligation to fight prejudice?
Act_of_Reparation
May 2019
#114
Yes politicians should fight prejudice, but they also have to get elected.
marylandblue
May 2019
#117
Guil? An argument against a religious left, is a very good argument against Guil
Bretton Garcia
May 2019
#35
That's great, as long as you agree religious beliefs should not be the basis for policy.
trotsky
May 2019
#109
Which is exactly what conservative Christians have been saying for years.
Act_of_Reparation
May 2019
#15
Actually they've been saying the US is a Christian nation based on Biblical principles.
marylandblue
May 2019
#21
I'd probably oppose such legislation unless there was a good secular reason too.
marylandblue
May 2019
#26
"use of the Christian faith to justify political choices conflates Christianity with those choices"
trotsky
May 2019
#16
The article draws on a subordinate Christian tradition, not the dominant one.
marylandblue
May 2019
#22
Yes that's what he says, but that's not what most Christians have historically believed.
marylandblue
May 2019
#28
It's controversial because there has always been this tension in Christianity
marylandblue
May 2019
#39
Which makes such a thing as the "religious left" unnecessary, as the author states.
trotsky
May 2019
#40
Yes, some systems are worse than others, but I'm losing my faith in democracy after Trump
marylandblue
May 2019
#67
By declaring that YOU know what the true message of Jesus is, yeah, you're expressing certainty.
trotsky
May 2019
#119
You don't see anything wrong with religious groups engaging in political action? Really?
Major Nikon
May 2019
#34
I don't seen anything wrong with it precisely because it has been the case for thousands of years.
marylandblue
May 2019
#42
My Pastor shakes his head at me because I give to the Freedom from Religion Foundatioin
JustFiveMoreMinutes
May 2019
#73
Your pastor doesn't support the principle of Separation of Church and State? nt.
Mariana
May 2019
#79
Many of them talk about religion and other things that aren't related to their plans.
marylandblue
May 2019
#100