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19. History is not evidence of naturalism.

Reply to guillaumeb (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 10:37 AM

Jul 2019

The validity of a claim is in no way related to its lifespan.

But hey, I like history.

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Israeli archaeologists discover signs of religion in 9,000-year-old city near Jerusalem [View all] guillaumeb Jul 2019 OP

most of the figurines found from before 5000 bce or so are female bloom Jul 2019 #1

In my view, the focus here was on the age of the settlement. eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #14

FAKE NEWS!!!! AJT Jul 2019 #2

These were 9,000 Biblical years. eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #7

statuettes and figurines Cartoonist Jul 2019 #3

Some Christians would indeed. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #8

Believing in nonexistent beings is the commonality Cartoonist Jul 2019 #9

Theism is the commonality. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #11

He's saying they believed in an interventionist creator Major Nikon Jul 2019 #16

Religion does indeed have very deep roots. trotsky Jul 2019 #4

Except unlike religion, those things have always gone together with humans Major Nikon Jul 2019 #6

"special niches that might have played a role in ritual." MineralMan Jul 2019 #5

And these funerary rituals, as you know, guillaumeb Jul 2019 #10

Some non-theistic animistic religions also buried MineralMan Jul 2019 #12

To your example, guillaumeb Jul 2019 #13

That does not require theism in any way. MineralMan Jul 2019 #15

... Major Nikon Jul 2019 #17

LOL! Ban Straws! MineralMan Jul 2019 #18

"Obvious" to you perhaps... uriel1972 Jul 2019 #20

Why do you assume 'need'? AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #28

Because Joe, in the example, is dead. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #30

Doubling down on your *claim* of 'need' doesn't actually demonstrate an actual need. AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #32

If the objects were in the grave, someone placed them there. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #36

You say that as if the existing studies and claims in this area are not contested at all. AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #37

Climate change is measurable. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #38

Hence the source of my objection. AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #55

Belief in some form of afterlife does not require theism. MineralMan Jul 2019 #40

If we can see from the written record that human societies that left a written guillaumeb Jul 2019 #41

You can infer many things from many things. MineralMan Jul 2019 #43

And the same applies to your own inferences. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #45

Buddhism is not theistic muriel_volestrangler Jul 2019 #59

True, but I did not say all societies. eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #60

'all' was implied by your remark in full muriel_volestrangler Jul 2019 #61

History is not evidence of naturalism. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #19

That they may... MAY have had religion... uriel1972 Jul 2019 #21

It is an argument that theism, and religion, have deep roots. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #22

It's a pathetically poor and biased argument, but yes, it's an argument. trotsky Jul 2019 #57

Is this one of those things where every statuette is assumed to be a 'fertility goddess' without AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #23

That question is one you might discuss with the actual archeologists guillaumeb Jul 2019 #24

Pointless. If you're in the paradigm, you can't see the paradigm. AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #25

But this sculptor might have no knowledge of the history of fertility statues, or religious guillaumeb Jul 2019 #26

All true. But there are ways to tell what something might be, from the thing itself. AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #27

But we cannot truly understand how people from 9,000 years ago really saw some of their artifacts. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #29

You assume too much. It's funny that you decry patriarchal erasure of Mary, but you actually perform AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #31

And you are not in the paradigm? guillaumeb Jul 2019 #34

I accept that it is a POSSIBILITY, but do not assume it is the actual fact. AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #35

Here's the 'decolonizing gender' article. I implore you to read it. AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #33

I did read it. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #39

The intent could be a lot of things. The lack of perspective of an observer of a second person AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #56

Agreed. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #58

And here we have evidence again edhopper Jul 2019 #42

If religion is innate in humans, guillaumeb Jul 2019 #44

Perhaps this; perhaps that. Before long, you'll MineralMan Jul 2019 #46

And your own belief system? guillaumeb Jul 2019 #47

What belief system is that? MineralMan Jul 2019 #48

You believe that you know, and you have faith that your knowledge allows you guillaumeb Jul 2019 #50

The untold number of edhopper Jul 2019 #49

Perhaps what you see as contradictory the Creator sees guillaumeb Jul 2019 #51

At least in the fable, there was an actual elephant. edhopper Jul 2019 #52

How do you know it was an elephant? eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #53

that is the fable edhopper Jul 2019 #54